reason to go for R instead of R2 (also wtb:bessa r)

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What would be the reasons to go to one if I'm just looking for a 35mm lens and a camera to carry around full time, I don't really need interchangeability or such conveniences, the lighter the better. So I was thinking a color skopar pancake and R, so if you have one let me know too.
 
What would be the reasons to go to one if I'm just looking for a 35mm lens and a camera to carry around full time, I don't really need interchangeability or such conveniences, the lighter the better. So I was thinking a color skopar pancake and R, so if you have one let me know too.
The R is cheaper, has a self timer, and you don't need an M adapter, but you can't mount M lenses obviously. And it's a bit more plasticky.

The Skopar Pancake is in M mount so you will need the normal Skopar. Since the optics are the same the size difference is negligible.

If you don't need interchangeable lenses, the point of the whole Bessa series is somewhat doubtful. Why don't you get a good compact rangefinder instead? It will be cheaper and the lens will be faster as well. An overview is at the bartender's page.

Philipp
 
does any of those offer metering in manual or tell you what to use in a certain setting? I'd realy like a spot but that seems a rarity. wish they ere 35mm instead of 40+
 
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What would be the reasons to go to one if I'm just looking for a 35mm lens and a camera to carry around full time, I don't really need interchangeability or such conveniences, the lighter the better. So I was thinking a color skopar pancake and R, so if you have one let me know too.

Well, maybe you don't need it now.. I mean changing lenses, but if you get the Bessa R you'll get a open system with a lot of choices, internal meter, great viewfinder and very light-weight..
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It's the wrong formum, I know, and I have serveral Bessas that I really like, but if you don't need the interchangeability, try a Konica Hexar .. I have two and I love them. The lens is by many considered to be equal or better to Leitz lenses.
 
I think that gliderbee is refering to the Hexar AF, which you maybe be able to find used for the same price as a Bessa R plus Skopar 35/2.5 in LTM. The AF is a full-automatic camera with a reportedly stellar lens. The Bessa R is full manual and has interchangable lenses. Each has its advantages.

The greatest advantages of the Bessa R over the older fixed-lens RFs are the viewfinder, which is much bigger and brighter than any of the 70s RFs I've tried, and the RF patch, which is bright and sharp-edged, making for quicker and easier focusing. The older fixed-lens RFs often take 1.35v mercury batteries which are no longer made, meaning you have modify the electronics or use short-lived and expensive air-cell batteries.

And there's a good chance that you'll want to try different thread-mount lenses down the road. There are many excellent Russian Jupiters and Industars that are the best value going in the rangefinder world.
 
thats really interesting, do you know which one's are optically good performers? as he doesnt mention it much.
Well they are all "good performers". For any single camera you will find someone out there praising its stellar, superb, whatever lens, no matter whether it's a Canonet, a Yashica or an Olympus. Usually people say pretty uncritical things like "needle-sharp" or "stellar".

I think I went a similar route as you did. I didn't feel like investing into an interchangeable-lens camera, and I had a Zorki already. So I used a Yashica GSN to some extent and a Canonet GIII-QL17 quite extensively. Both were fine cameras, I was never disappointed with the optical qualities, only the GSN was too big for my taste with no manual mode at all and the Canonet had no metered manual mode. If I were to recommend you a compact rangefinder on specs alone, it'd be the Yashica 35 CC. It's small, has a 35/1.7 lens and it takes 6V batteries, so no mercury issues.

I mainly mentioned compacts because I don't know your priorities. Myself I went for the Bessa R eventually because I did want to use interchangeable lenses at some point. Even if you don't want to use them right now, it is nice to be able to just slap a $20 Jupiter-8 on it and get a 50 Sonnar for portraits. The metering system and viewfinder of the Bessa are much better. You get metered manual mode with the Bessa, which few compacts will give you. The problem with the Bessa, just like with all the Leicas is that compacts still have some advantages: they are smaller, and because of the lack of automation in the Bessa, your photography will be ever-so-slightly slower in the beginning. So after I got the Bessa I did find myself lusting for a Leica CL (for the compactness) or an R3A (for a fast 40/1.4 and automation) for a while. However, In the end going for the Bessa was a good decision that I don't regret.

Philipp
 
does any of those offer metering in manual or tell you what to use in a certain setting? I'd realy like a spot but that seems a rarity. wish they ere 35mm instead of 40+


If you need a spot and mertering in manual, then Olympus 35sp or 35spn.

If you want 35mm, then Yachica 35CC or 35CCwide - they have a nice 35/1.8 lens. Aperture prioirty only. Or an Olympus XA - 35mm f2.8 with aperture priority, exposure compensation and nice design.
 
I think that gliderbee is refering to the Hexar AF, which you maybe be able to find used for the same price as a Bessa R plus Skopar 35/2.5 in LTM. The AF is a full-automatic camera with a reportedly stellar lens. The Bessa R is full manual and has interchangable lenses. Each has its advantages.

Right. correct. Correct. And correct! I acquired a Konica Hexar (AF) last week and it's beautiful. It does what none of my other rangefinders do: autofocus. And quiet (in Stealth Mode). Excellent lens.

The drawback, of course, it has only one lens.

If you're looking for the same lens for your Bessa R (or R2), there's always the 35mm UC Hexanon.

It's good to have options.
 
The lens on the Yashica GSN is one of my favorites, and the shutter is quiet. On the downside, it's a little big.

The bessa-r/skopar combo might be better. Small, light, give you the opportunity for adding lenses if you want to, and the viewfinder kills the Yashica or any of my older cameras.

But any of these will do the job, really.
 
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