Canon LTM Reasonable price: canon 1.2 LTM??

[bobkatz]

Friends:
Im looking for a nice canon 1.2 ltm, looking at eb found these: I need your advice about the price: reasonable?? how the maximum youll bid?? 😉
thanks for your expertise...
Bob.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=370218631833
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=110406917895

 

[Sonnar Brian]

$400 would be my absolute limit for one in EX+ to Mint and the shade.

Now that the New F1.1 Cosina lens is out, the price of the Canon 50/1.2 should dip back to its historic $250~$300 range.

Mine was much less, but I made it out of two parts lenses.

 

[squirrel$$$bandit]

I paid 400 for a very good one with no shade, about six months ago. It's been worth it to me.

 

[johannielscom]

It's at USD 528 already, but since the Nokton 1.1 can be had as of today, I bet there's already bidders remorse before aucton's end...

 

[photobizzz]

I just bought one from Adorama for $399, it is in EX condition, and have not recieved it yet. Adorama is kind of strange some times, I am sure the lens is nice, but it may well come with caps and hood, I bought a Ricoh GX100 kit and it came with a neck strap the self closing lens cap, but was not listed as with such items. I bought one from David her off RFF about 1 1/2 years ago and had since sold it due to getting out of RF's for a bit and I paid $300 at the time, but it had oil on the blades. Around $300-400 is a normal price in good condition, but they dont show up that much for sale, thus my willingness to pay $400. I would love to have the new 1.1 Nokton but since I just bought a CV 35/1.2 Nokton I couldn't affort $1100, so at .1 loss and $700 cheaper I went with the Canon.

 

[bobkatz]

Thanks so much for advices....now I have a real idea about the cost...
Gracias. regards.
Bob.

 

[raid]

The hood by itself can cost around $150-$250.
I doubt it that a Canon 50/1.2 with original hood can be bought readily for less than $500. It is possible, but it is not probable.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

You could a few years ago. They used to sell for less than the Canon 50/1.4. Hood or no hood. The 50/1.2 uses 55mm hoods, and an inexpensive alternative can be found to the original.

Give it a few months with the new Nokton out. Things should get back to normal for this venerable superspeed lens.

 

[John Shriver]

I got one here with hood and 4 original filters for $400, a couple of years ago. However, there's plenty of wear of the anodizing on the aluminum knurling of the focusing collar, so it's not a display piece.

 

[hans voralberg]

I trade my 40/1.4 Nokton for one with hood, and I dented the ring so I can't use the hood lol.

 

[bobkatz]

Thanks....I must be patient...(very difficult🙂)...some day I will do a good deal for me...-thanks for advices...
Bob

 

[David Murphy]

I am not convinced the introduction of the Nokton 50/1.1 will cause a decrease in the price of the Canon 50/1.2 (or the 50/0.95 for that matter). For instance it may make the market for faster rangefinder lenses more active overall, leading to more buyers and more demand. Has the availability of the Nokton 50/1.5 caused the price of the Canon 50/1.5 or the Canon 50/1.4 to go down? Certainly not.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The prices of the Canon 50/1.4 are down from a few years ago. I see good examples in the $250 range. The Canon 50/1.5 is much higher these days, the "Sonnar" look is back in style. Same with the Nikkor 5cm f1.4 and F2: Sonnar look has caused these lenses to double in price in the last few years. There were relatively few Canon 50/1.5's produced, and of those many have bad rear modules.

The "need for speed" and the doubling in price of the Noctilux was probably responsible for the Canon 50/0.95 and 50/1.2 skyrocketing. The RF coupled 50/0.95 with a Canon 7 body ran $600~$700 a few years (five years ago) ago. A TV lens version ran $200. The Canon 50/1.2 ran ~$250. With the availability of a $10,000 Noctilux alternative, prices went up. NOW with a $1,100 alternative: I cannot see a Canon 50/0.95 50/1.2 fetching more.

 

[gdi]

The "need for speed" and the doubling in price of the Noctilux was probably responsible for the Canon 50/0.95 and 50/1.2 skyrocketing. The RF coupled 50/0.95 with a Canon 7 body ran $600~$700 a few years (five years ago) ago. A TV lens version ran $200. The Canon 50/1.2 ran ~$250. With the availability of a $10,000 Noctilux alternative, prices went up. NOW with a $1,100 alternative: I cannot see a Canon 50/0.95 50/1.2 fetching more.

The change in the market situation over the last few years has changed so much as to make a over-time comparison irrelevant. The prices are what they are, now in the days of the $4000 + used Noctilux.

I can't see the Nokton causing a softening of the Canon 1.2 prices - with that approximate $800 difference (humm... CV 1.1, or Canon 1.2 AND CV35/1.2 for the M8??😀) I agree with the previous comments that it could actually increase overall demand for fast lenses as images are posted (it looks very good so far, btw), and since the 1.2 is the most afordable option out there it could go up in price.

Something like the Hex 1.2 will probably stay close to where it is - at about a 60% or so premium, due to quality and rarity. The Hex 2.0 still carries a premium larger than that over the CV 1.5.

However, I do think the Canon 0.95 is most vulnerable to a drop. I am sure there are a lot of buyers looking for a faster than 1.2 lens and don't want to pay for a Noctilux. But, OTOH, if you have an appreciation for the images from an 0.95 (many certainly do not), the CV is probably not going to be a proper substitute.

So, I think now would be the time to buy a Canon 1.2 - just in case! 🙂

 

[kermaier]

There were relatively few Canon 50/1.5's produced, and of those many have bad rear modules.

Bad rear modules? Do you mean oil from the diaphragm spoiling the coatings, or some other problem?

::Ari

 

[Sonnar Brian]

The oil from the Canon RF lenses spilled onto the rear group, etched the glass, and discolored the Canada Balsam. I've seen it on a lot of the Canon lenses. A sad combination of the oil used and the new type of glass. Happens on the surface behind the aperture, not in front of it. I've taken my 50/1.4 apart twice in four years to clean it out, the same with the 35/2 and 50/1.8.

I've got several Canon RF lenses bought for parts because of the etching.

 

[rwchisholm]

Canon 50 1.2

Canon 50 1.2

You know, I bought the first auction for $600. Might seem high for this lens, but this auction was for the lens, lens hood, original case, caps, filter, all in UNUSED condition. Seriously, I almost passed out when I opened the package. The Canon 50 1.2 is a dream lens on the M8. A wonderful portrait lens full of character. I can not imagine the new 50 Nokton replacing this gem, as the Nokton samples online seem sterile so far.

I love this lens!