rodinol @ 1+50 and delta 400

[back alley]

i think this may have been covered before, i did a search and did find some info - but i wanted to double check it again.

i have 8 rolls of delta 400, shot at 400, sitting in my big tank. (for weeks now) i have rodinol, ddx and ilfosol s on hand and wanted to give the rodinol a try.
from what i have gathered, the 1+50 dilution should help ease the grain a bit and it should look fairly sharp.

any last minute comments before i fill the tank?

joe

 

[FrankS]

Joe, I have no experience with that combo, I just know that common knowledge says that Rodinol is best with slow 35mm films (or any MF films) because of the grain issue. Higher dilutions may reduce the size of grain, but it will still be worse than with a more normal developer. I'd hate to commit so many rolls to that descision. I may be wrong.

 

[ray_g]

I'm with Frank. I'd go with the Ilfosol.

 

[captainslack]

I've tried Delta 400 & Rodinal 1+25. Nasty, nasty combo. I'd stick with the Ilfosol.

 

[Nachkebia]

If you check ilford`s site they say that Ilfosol is ilford`s rodinal 🙂 Why don`t you try DDX? which suposed to be best liquid chemical 🙂
Check this Agfa-ILFORD Photo Equivalents

 

[sleepyhead]

Joe, I've never tried the Rodinal Delta combo either, but i use Rodinal alot, and can believe in captainslack's assessment - rodinal leads to pretty grainy negs, but NICE grain with films like Plus-X, but the flat crystal type grain of the Delta films? Who knows, but I wouldn't risk it...

I guess you could always develope one of the 8 rolls and see, and think about the rest.
Yaron

 

[pipal]

Joe, take DDX! It great for delta 400, especially when shot outdoor. It has a lot of nice halftones. You can also shorten dev times a bit, as it comes quite thick at the default times (but still very usable). Rodinal is a killer for delta films, it's really awfull.

 

[micromoogman]

Try Rodinal with dilutions up to 1:200 (!)and of course increase temperature to avoid excessive dev times. I used to go Kodak's Xtol but it lack in contrast and was very tricky to handle, now always Ilfosol S. Go to unblinkingeye.com and http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html to see their recommendations. Good luck!

 

[Trius]

Yeah, I wouldn't commit that many rolls to any soup I hadn't tried out. I'd guess the issue with Delta 400 and Rodinal is not that the Delta is a fast film, but that it is a tabular type of grain, plus maybe some other factors. Done "properly", TriX and HP5 can look really great in Rodinal.

DDX produces more base level fog than most developers, which may or may not be an issue with Delta; I haven't shot Delta, so don't really know. Other than that, I used it for some Pan F+, and the negs looked really nice.

If Ilfosol is "Ilford's Rodinal", wouldn't the same caveats apply?

If Rodinal were my only choice I'd shoot a test roll first and process at 1:100, starting at 17 min at 24C, minimal agitation (maybe 5 sec every 3 minutes). But without that choice, I would go with DDX at Ilford's recommended regimen.

 

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[marcust101]

I agree with Pipal, rodinal has done nasty things to Delta films of mine, on the other hand it's great for Acros, HP5, FP4 and APX, I use it at 50 dilution and get some great even tone.

Marcus

 

[titrisol]

I tried both ROdinal 1+50 and 1+50+C woth Delta 400
And the results were OK. Tonality was fine, but shadow detail was hard to find, while grain was pretty large een for an epitaxial film.

DDX will give you a MUCH better result, shadow detail aplenty and fine grain.

i think this may have been covered before, i did a search and did find some info - but i wanted to double check it again.

i have 8 rolls of delta 400, shot at 400, sitting in my big tank. (for weeks now) i have rodinol, ddx and ilfosol s on hand and wanted to give the rodinol a try.
from what i have gathered, the 1+50 dilution should help ease the grain a bit and it should look fairly sharp.

any last minute comments before i fill the tank?

joe

 

[pipal]

just for the illustration, this is delta 400@1600 in DDX:
http://www.pipal.cz/2006/05/15/carodejnice-bez-ohne

If you shoot delta at 400 and/or outdoor, results it can be even better.

Trius is right that the delta-rodinal problem lies in the tabular crystals. Doesn not look well.

 

[Honus]

The lack of success of Delta 400 with Rodinal is interesting. I have found Delta 100 and Rodinal to be a beautiful combination. So much so that it is now my standard combination. I have an album in my gallery with nothing but Delta 100 and Rodinal.

If anyone has a sample of 400 & Rodinal to show I would like to see it. Has anyone tried it with a 1+100 dilution?

- Robert

 

[back alley]

my normal for delta 400 and even 100 for that matter has been ddx and sometimes ilfosol s if i'm out of ddx.
i am pleased with those results.
looks like the rodinal is not the way to go although i do think i'll try it some day with a single roll.

i will try it also with the delta 100, which i seem to be shooting more of lately.

 

[ray_g]

I haven't tried it myself, Joe, but you may be interested in reading this, by Puts. He seems to like the Delta 100 and Rodinal combination. I think there were also some posts here about that combo a few months ago.

 

[back alley]

thanks ray, i'll give it a read tonight or maybe over the weekend.

 

[titrisol]

Yes, Rodinal plays nicely with Delta 100 and Tmax 100, the tab/epitaxial grain have excellent sharpeness and almost no grain visible. But with the 400s is a different story

If I was to try D400 in Rodinal again. I'd overexpose by 1 stop (EI 200) and use 1+100 dilution.

 

[clarence]

just for the illustration, this is delta 400@1600 in DDX:
http://www.pipal.cz/2006/05/15/carodejnice-bez-ohne

Just because of this, I think I'll postpone the impending purchase of 120-format Delta 3200, and acquire some DDX instead.

I'm currently stuck with loads of unused HP5+ and Delta 400, but the coming of Fall and Winter, as well as my growing preference for shooting indoors, have made me look for more speed in my film. This is somewhat off-topic, but does anyone here have experience with DDX and HP5+ at 1600?

Thank you.

Clarence

 

[Buze]

I must say I really like Delta 400 in DDX (1+9 in my case). I did some HP5+ over the week end and the results were good, but nowhere neat as smooth as Delta 400...