Rollei Rpx400 vs. Rollei Retro 400S

[taylan]

I searched on internet, but i could not found any reliable information about differences of these two Rollei film. Do you have any experience about these films. i read some where the RPX 400 is same with Agfa APX 400. What is you opinions?

 

[Mablo]

RPX400 is not APX400 but they have similarities. Both are grainy and more like EI200 than 400. Still, I like RPX400 more. RPX400 is not suitable for Rodinal IMO but in Xtol/D-76 stock it's not too bad.

Retro 400S is a clear base aerial/traffic surveillance film.

 

[HHPhoto]

I searched on internet, but i could not found any reliable information about differences of these two Rollei film. Do you have any experience about these films. i read some where the RPX 400 is same with Agfa APX 400. What is you opinions?

Hi,

neither RPX 400 nor Retro 400S are the same as Agfa APX 400.
All three are completely different films.

RPX 400:
- made by Ilford Photo / Harmann Technology for Maco Photo Products (Rollei Film)
- normal panchromatic film with traditional cubic chrystals
- triazetate base
- very, very similar to Ilford Pan 400 and Kentmere 400

Retro 400S:
- made by Agfa-Gevaert in Belgium (www.agfa.com)
- aerial film with intended red sensivity
- usable as infrared film with 715nm filter
- has only real ISO 200/24° speed
- clear PET base
- excellent as BW slide film, especially in Agfa Scala process (first development time 3:45 @ ISO 160/23°)

Regards, Jan

 

[sol33]

RPX 400:
- made by Ilford Photo / Harmann Technology for Maco Photo Products (Rollei Film)
- normal panchromatic film with traditional cubic chrystals
- triazetate base
- very, very similar to Ilford Pan 400 and Kentmere 400

The development times of RPX 400 do not look like Kentmere 400 at all but are quite similar to Pan 400 and HP5+. Also Maco suggests that RPX 400 is comparable to HP5+ and TRI-X.

 

[HHPhoto]

The development times of RPX 400 do not look like Kentmere 400 at all but are quite similar to Pan 400 and HP5+.

I've shot the same subjects parallel with three camera bodies at the same time under identical conditions.
One camera body with RPX 400, one with Kentmere 400 and one with Pan 400, all @ ISO 400/27°.
Developed in ID 11 1+1 according to the data sheets.
RPX 400 13,5 min.
Pan 400 13 min.
Kentmere 400 16,5 min.

The results were very similar and it was very difficult to see differences at all.
Reminds me of the old HP5 (without "+").
Probably all these films share their genes with this older version.

Also Maco suggests that RPX 400 is comparable to HP5+ and TRI-X.

I don't believe in marketing statements. I do my own tests.

Cheers, Jan

 

[johannielscom]

Hi all previous (and future) posters in this thread,

I'm trying to get it together with Rollei Retro 400S but am a bit confused. Any help is welcome.

My slower film is Rollei Retro 100 and I use Rodinal 1:100 stand for that. Loving the results. But the Rollei Retro 400S @ 250 comes out a lot grainier.

There's also some D-76 bags in the cupboard. Can be mixed to stock solution easily. BUT: the Massive Dev chart says shoot the film at box speed (400) while I've already done that and developed it in Rodinal and it was REAL grainy.

Questions in short:

• Is there a not-too-grainy combo of Rodinal and Rollei Retro 400S?
• If using D-76 for it, how should I rate the 400S?
• If using D-76, any recommendations on times etc?

Thank you!

 

[HHPhoto]

Questions in short:

• Is there a not-too-grainy combo of Rodinal and Rollei Retro 400S?

• No, it will always be grainy, no matter what dilution is used.

• [*] If using D-76 for it, how should I rate the 400S?

• ISO 100/21°

• [*]If using D-76, any recommendations on times etc?

ISO 100/21°; dilution 1:1; 15:00 minutes.

Cheers, Jan

 

[taylan]

Hi everybody
i want to share my experiences about this film. After i wrote this thread i ordered 2 bulk film from www.macodirect.de at 02.May.2011. i am living in istanbul and i get my package at 18.May.2011. After that day i rolled films and started to use it. My experiences about that film are such that:
*) It much more resemble to the Ilford Pan 400. However, edge marks are look like Agfa APX400, characteristic of the film is very different from Apx 400
*) It is more grainy than tri-x, t-max and HP5+. Actually i like the grains of this film very much.
*) I get 250 ISO with X-tol 1+1. My time for X-tol is 12:00 (at 20 C) with continuous agitation for first 30s and then 5s at every 30s.
*) For an example you can see below photo:



10-1 by perre_tt, on Flickr


This photo was scanned with HP G4050 from the film. First of all i have to say that i am not good at scanning stuff. But i wet printed this photo. I used Ilford Multigrade IV Fiber Glossy warmtone paper with dektol 1+1. Also i gave 3.5 filter. My enlarger is Kaiser VPM 6005 Multigrade head. From this print i could easily get detailed blacks and whites without any dogging and burning.

To sum up, if you want old style grainy film i can easly recommend that RPX 400. Also it is 250 ASA with X-tol 1+1

 

[Fotohuis]

If you want higher speed from the RPX 400 film you have to try RPX-D, a push developer made by SPUR for this film.

Retro 400S is indeed an Agfa Gevaert aerial film. Sharp, reasonable grain but some lack in speed.

Best regards,

Robert

 

[N1kon]

Retro 400S @ 250. Any suggestions how to develop (times and mixingratio), I have ID-11, D-76 and Perceptol at hand. (other developers can be acquired also).
Thank You

 

[johannielscom]

Researched it some more since my previous post since I felt I wasn't going to use a 400-speed film @ 100 when I already had a good 100-speed film available.


Result: Rollei Retro 400S @ 800.

Bigger image available on flickr to allow for pixel/grain peeping.

20111218-35RolleiRetro400S@800-3037 by Johan Kuiper, Portretteur.nl, buzzardkid, on Flickr

Developed in Kodak D76 1+1 @ 20ºC

Development: 37min 20secs.
Continuous: 1Min, Stand: 18min. Continuous: 20sec, Stand 18min.

Stop (running water): 1min

Fix: 5min. Continuous 1min, every minute 10secs.

Hypo: 2min soak.

Rinse (running water): 5min.

Photo-flo: 30secs soak.

Shook the water off and hung it. No striping the water off!

 

[johannielscom]

another one:


20111218-35RolleiRetro400S@800-2-3052 by Johan Kuiper, Portretteur.nl, buzzardkid, on Flickr

 

[Fotohuis]

Rollei Retro 400S E.I. 200 D74 1+15 5:15 minutes at 20C. Fiber photo print (Fomabrom Variant 111).

 

[Michael Markey]

Just to add to the mix .
APX400S ,LC29,1+20 7min

 

[johannielscom]

Michael, is this the RolleiRetro 400S or truly APX 400S? At what speed did you expose? I like the tonality!

 

[Michael Markey]

Hi Johan ...its APX400S.
I got two bulk rolls off Xmas but it`s taken me ages to get any acceptable results .

I exposed it at about 320.
It seems to be very unforgiving of exposure errors.
My developer is either LC29 or Ilfosol 3.
This with a Rollie 35s

 

[N1kon]

D74 seems to be impossible to find 😕

 

[Fotohuis]

D74 seems to be impossible to find

D74 is a new, modern semi-compensating developer made by Compard/Rollei. It's supplied in a new "softpack" 330ml packing for a long life-time, without oxydizing problems of the developer. It's the successor of the Amaloco AM74 / RHS developer and under Rollei label sold as Rollei High Speed DC (Double Concentrated).

 

[N1kon]

D74 is a new, modern semi-compensating developer made by Compard/Rollei. It's supplied in a new "softpack" 330ml packing for a long life-time, without oxydizing problems of the developer. It's the successor of the Amaloco AM74 / RHS developer and under Rollei label sold as Rollei High Speed DC (Double Concentrated).

Yep I know. Only place I found was your? shop but even there it seems to be sold out?

 

[Fotohuis]

In Holland it's already a very populair type developer. Together with Rodinal/R09 one shot best sold in B&W developers in our (web) shop.

This Friday it will be in stock again. So don't worry.