Axel
singleshooter
Smaller and lighter!Really, Sony has an M10 shaped mirrorless camera?
MCTuomey
Veteran
i’d prefer an m10 where they replaced the reverse galilean viewfinder with an evf, articulated the lcd, and added ibis. basically an improved fuji x-e3.
yes, yes, and yes
After my Q experience I will never buy a digital Leica.
After my Q experience I would buy a 50mm version in a heartbeat.
I am not very impressed with adapted lenses on mirrorless cameras in general. Focusing for me is too iffy to feel confident. And focus peaking is sort of dodgy.
My experience with M-system 35mm through 75mm lenses on the new CL is positive. Higher in-focus rates at close-to-mid distance wide open (f/1.4 to f/2) with the CL versus rangefinder. I feel the focus peaking implementation on the CL is quite good, whereas the FP on my Fuji X bodies and the Sony A bodies I've tried made me unhappy. Generally, focus peaking for me works best for normal to tele length lenses shooting wide open or nearly so. Focus peaking with wide lenses stopped down is frustrating. Better to use zone or hyperfocal focus methods with wides, turning off FP.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
With the 50mm SL lens on it?After my Q experience I would buy a 50mm version in a heartbeat.![]()
Dogman
Veteran
An M body with AF sounds wonderful to me. Now if they could just figure out how to put an OVF in with that EVF. They could call it a "hybrid" and....
Oh. Never mind.
Oh. Never mind.
MCTuomey
Veteran
With the 50mm SL lens on it?
No, no, no - that thing is a beast and priced beyond me anyway. My wish is for a Q II with a fixed compact 50, say f/1.7 or f/1.8, kind of a twin to the Lux 28/1.7 on the current Q.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
Then Leica has some work to do.No, no, no - that thing is a beast and priced beyond me anyway. My wish is for a Q II with a fixed compact 50, say f/1.7 or f/1.8, kind of a twin to the Lux 28/1.7 on the current Q.
MCTuomey
Veteran
Then Leica has some work to do.
Exactly right. And why for me it's nothing but a wish. I'm old. I am fond of those fixed lens RFs from 40+ years ago. Still have one. Twin Q cameras, one 28 and one 50, and I'm real good for a whole lot of stuff I shoot. From the Q wide open in New Orleans:

20180323-150-web by Mike Tuomey, on Flickr

20180323-097-web by Mike Tuomey, on Flickr
aizan
Veteran
As long as you are not picky about image quality as Sony uses much thicker sensor cover glass than Leica.
bingo. sony is not interested in meeting the requirements of rangefinder lenses.
a more compact l-mount body that has a rangefinder-style evf and a range of smaller lenses would be nice, but it'll never be quite as nice as a similar m-mount body.
Dunk
Established
Agree 100%. I think if they created a Q with L mount and smaller lenses it would be a big hit.
Not according to Jono Slack … and he should know
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/285080-leica-cm-ml-new-leica-mirrorless-announcement/?p=3528463
dunk
Michael Markey
Veteran
As long as you are not picky about image quality as Sony uses much thicker sensor cover glass than Leica.
Goodness …. I mustn`t be picky then.
I was shooting at a low light event with an A7 and ZM C Sonnar this week …. a friend had a 10 and a Noct.
The A7 did more than ok.
I`d be interested in seeing what Leica come up with though with this new model.
MCTuomey
Veteran
Goodness …. I mustn`t be picky then.
I was shooting at a low light event with an A7 and ZM C Sonnar this week …. a friend had a 10 and a Noct.
The A7 did more than ok.
I`d be interested in seeing what Leica come up with though with this new model.
Nice combo, A7 and ZM Sonnar. How did you set up the Sony's EVF for manual focus? Work well for you?
It's the wide lenses that generally have IQ problems due to the thicker sensor cover glass, and more in the corners than center, I've read. Depending on subject, may not be an issue.
Dunk
Established
Not according to Jono Slack … and he should know
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/285080-leica-cm-ml-new-leica-mirrorless-announcement/?p=3528463
dunk
… and more of Jono's wisdom
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/285080-leica-cm-ml-new-leica-mirrorless-announcement/?p=3528909
dunk
brennanphotoguy
Well-known
I don't know who Jono Slack is and why he's relevant to this conversation. It looks like another old guy speculating behind a computer screen.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Just a couple of personal notes:
1st: I love my M10
2nd: no more gear budget available
robert
PS: but nice and interesting to see Leica active, let's see what comes, as already someone said hopefully not a "see too" camera
1st: I love my M10
2nd: no more gear budget available
robert
PS: but nice and interesting to see Leica active, let's see what comes, as already someone said hopefully not a "see too" camera
swatch
Established
digital G2 ( Contax ) will be perfect !
derleicaman
Member
I don't know who Jono Slack is and why he's relevant to this conversation. It looks like another old guy speculating behind a computer screen.
Jono is a beta tester for Leica and very well connected at Leica
He is well respected in the Leica world, and given his credentials, what he has to say is more than relevant to this conversation
brennanphotoguy
Well-known
Jono is a beta tester for Leica and very well connected at Leica
He is well respected in the Leica world, and given his credentials, what he has to say is more than relevant to this conversation
I’m a beta tester for Apple and have friends that work at the Apple store and I don’t get invited to iOS developement meetings. My point being, he is a beta tester. He is not a market analyst for them. He tests equipment for them that THEY think will do well.
aizan
Veteran
is anyone else hoping that the c-m turns out to be a beautiful little bar of soap like the original cm? it could be the new contax t3. it could be what the x should have been: a full frame sensor compact with a 35mm f/2.8 fully retractable lens, fixed evf, sleek design. forget the interchangeable lens stuff!
karateisland
Established
is anyone else hoping that the c-m turns out to be a beautiful little bar of soap like the original cm? it could be the new contax t3. it could be what the x should have been: a full frame sensor compact with a 35mm f/2.8 fully retractable lens, fixed evf, sleek design. forget the interchangeable lens stuff!
I would throw my money at Leica so fast for this camera.
bayernfan
Well-known
I would throw my money at Leica so fast for this camera.
i'd throw it harder and faster if it shot film.
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