thanks plummerl, I will have a bit more of a look at things, I have seen a shot of the SA-1 and it didn't look TTL but it said it would fit the T, perhaps the SA-2 will fit as well? the T I'm buying is body only ( no flash ) and I have a TLA 30 for my G2's that I could use if I get the guff, but then its a big kit again? maybe I should hunt for the T14 flash for the T, but then its direct only which I hate anyway? ????@#$%^&*()(*#@