Santa Wants to Know, Who Deserves a new Voigtlander Bessa R3A.

A Jocko said. No matter how much I'd like that camera. I know I wont get it.

It'd be nice to have a brand new and reliable camera, but hey. I know I'm not the most deserving here and I have cameras to use already.
It would probably cause a lot of resentment towards someone like me if I DID get chosen especially because I post here so much I'm difficult to avoid as it is 🙄


I'm not sure who IS the neediest here, but this whole topic has a swings and roundabouts feel to it, and I think a lot of people are going be be ill-feeling.

I don't think nationality or income should make any difference to the choice made by Jorge. It's as easy to call on bias if a westerner is chosen as it is to begrudge if it's a member from the east.
Please also remember for the most part we don't actually KNOW each other. We only know what we have chosen to believe from words in threads (or the occasional RFF meet).
 
Ash said:
I don't think nationality or income should make any difference to the choice made by Jorge. It's as easy to call on bias if a westerner is chosen as it is to begrudge if it's a member from the east.
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I want to chime in on this in particular. Yes, the term "needy" has been used, and the overall goal is to get it into someone's hands who will use it, who doesn't currently have something like it, and will produce perhaps better work because of it. But, while this is a gift project, it is not a charity project, per se. It gets awfully complicated if one wishes to make it like that. Nationality and income are examples of how things can get complicated.

And for my nominations in the other thread, I am _extremely_ appreciative, and the comments about my wishes (needs?) to get an interchangeable RF are, in fact, accurate (to the point where I am now getting rid of my fixed-lens ones out of frustration). But it's not like I don't have other cameras to use. Just not RF ones (there is a reason why I post almost exclusively to the darkroom forum - I just don't have that many RF cameras).

allan
 
Jorge Torralba said:
-There are many photographers here on RFF that are genuinely excited about rangefinder photography and would just love to be shooting with a new camera.


-RFF members will decide who is deserving of a new rangefinder camera for Christmas this year.

-identify who is that person who really wants to get involved with RF photography but has not yet had a chance.

-We are looking for those with failing cameras or no cameras at all.

-We are looking to make someone happy this Christmas.

-a way of giving thanks to the members who make our community work.

One note to keep in mind. Any sarcasm, negativity or deliberate instigation of hostilities in this thread will not be tolerated.
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Just in case people go off on a tangent, those are the main points from Jorge's original post.


One more thing I wanted to add, having read that first post so many times, this is to make someone happy, not make everyone else miserable.


In the spirit of the goodwill this thread is all about maybe we should all stop taking it so seriously, rather than a negative view because it is being made into too much of a big deal.
 
"In the spirit of the goodwill this thread is all about maybe we should all stop taking it so seriously, rather than a negative view because it is being made into too much of a big deal."

I agree with you on this statement, Ash.
This event is meant to make someone happier and not to cause friction or any dismay. Let's wrap this thing up with a good summary statement by Jorge on how to have nominees apply for the camera.

Raid
 
Raid, yeah, nice idea. I have a friend that took some courses in photography during college, and she'd love to start up with it now, but unfortunatley, cannot afford it (she works at a salon). She eyed my ZI last time we looked over my photos. Not to mention she's very attractive 😀
 
Let me make sure I get this straight:
We're looking to nominate someone who currently does NOT have an RF camera right?

I checked the other thread and I noted names that were being mentioned included those that have already had RF cameras...

Just want to be sure before I put a name down for someone in this contest (which is a nice thing imho) 🙂

Dave
 
Dave, that's why I highlighted those points in Jorge's post. Someone who has failing cameras or no cameras at all.
 
i'm not really sure what the problem is here.

jorge has already said what his intentions are and what the process is.
what i see happening is some people wanting jorge to do it their way.
of course there is always another way to do something but please keep in mind it's jorge and stephen's camera to give away.

if you have a gift you would like to offer up i'd be happy to make it a 'sticky' for you.

joe
 
Joe,

I just wanted clarification.
Hey.. if it's nominate anyone and everyone then I'd be happy to put forth some users here who contribute more than others but that appears NOT to be what Jorge (or Stephen who's generously donating the camera) wanted - so I just wanted to be sure before I go and toss a name into the post.

Dave
 
Be fair. If you can't give each RFF member an entire camera,
then the one available should be divided equally among us all.

For my share I'd like half a ball bearing. 😉

Chris

"Keep Chris in Christmas"
 
I strongly agree with Jocko. I own more cameras than I need to take photos, and each of those has given out lovely photos, so what's the point in giving a camera to die-hards who are getting a camera or two every month?

With all due respect to every member who has been nominated as potentially eligible to receive such a wonderful gift, I think -that is my humble opinion- that people who are known for purchasing regularly gear (no matter if it's a soviet camera, for these are cameras, and fully working ones) should be eliminated from an eventual final choice.

I do not intend to bias anyone decision, this is just my way of seeing this. And ... I may decide to give out a camera (or two, or three) to anyone if I feel like doing that, and that the person is patient enough to allow me to have stable finances to ship it. :angel:

I'm thinking of throwing in a Kiev-4A with a 50/2 Jupiter-8M, and also of throwing in a Fed-5 body (yeah, i know, no sarcasm ok?😉 it works!). And maybe a standalone Jupiter-8M in Kiev mount.
 
ChrisPlatt said:
Be fair. If you can't give each RFF member an entire camera,
then the one available should be divided equally among us all.

For my share I'd like half a ball bearing. 😉

Chris

"Keep Chris in Christmas"
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Oh you are truly wise King Solomon 😀

Dave
 
Rich Silfver said:
Instead of having people naming who they would want to give the camera to - why not have a thread where people that want to receive the gift can post 'why' they would want/need a free camera.
I'm sure there are a number of interesting stories out there that may 'flush' out someone who is really in need of it (rather than just picking a name out of the top posters which is what that other thread seems to be becoming).

So;
1) A thread where people that are interested in receiving the gift can state 'why' they need/want it. Maybe cap it at 20-30 people.

2) A poll/voting amongst all members of which person out of '1' above should win

Just a thought (and no, I don't want/need another camera personally). 🙂
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I second this idea.
 
I won't withdraw my name, but I don't really need it. I'm happy with everything I own now. Well, except for needing a 35mm lens... I'm also saving for an R2M due to the fact that I got addicted to using a 35mm lens over the time I had a J-12. I'm also saving for knives and Calphalon One pans, so I'm not sure what will be first on the list.

I'm still taking photos occasionally, though not as much now that I'm trying to get myself hired at restaurants around town, and food is about to become my main focus. Trying to get together a portfolio of food to send to a few culinary schools around here. Still using film, of course. Still using Rodinal, too. 😉
 
If anyone ends up will ill feelings out of this it can be attributed to having convinced themselves that they deserve such a gesture more than anyone else does, which is quite a disturbing thought to possess in my opinion. Greed, in other words.

So I really hope that excuse is not used to thwart healthy, open discussion for the forum to collectively identify the individuals who would be appropriate for the gift. It seems that there may be a sense that anyone who does not receive the gift would be a loser in the situation. I don't really feel that it is possible to lose something you never had. Nobody should fee that way.

I don't like the use of the word 'needy' either. _Nobody_ on the planet needs a camera. A camera is a privelege, not a right. Especially a camera that is given as a gift.
 
I nominate wlewisiii. I don't think he's ever said an unkind word in any of his 3500+ posts. He's on the road now so he can't post much but he's always been one of the most positive forces on this site. I think he's earned it.
 
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