dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
My Samsung Galaxy SII phone came out last year - I bought it this year - just before the release of the Galaxy SIII - it's "obsolete" from the manufacturers viewpoint; to me, it's years ahead of my previous "un-smart" phone.
I like using the X-Pro1 and although it's been commented that it's doesn't offer immediacy of a traditional RF; that is a relative statement. Someone who has no familiarity with an RF would not have immediacy with an M3 or a Konica Auto SIII or a Zeiss ZM etc.
The camera is what it is - just like all equipment.
You learn to work with it, live with its quirks, praise its features or you don't buy one/or sell the one you currently have and move on until you find your zen camera.
My guess is though, with the amount of GAS that gets exhibited by camera folk, the likelihood of finding zen will be very slim
Cheers,
Dave
I like using the X-Pro1 and although it's been commented that it's doesn't offer immediacy of a traditional RF; that is a relative statement. Someone who has no familiarity with an RF would not have immediacy with an M3 or a Konica Auto SIII or a Zeiss ZM etc.
The camera is what it is - just like all equipment.
You learn to work with it, live with its quirks, praise its features or you don't buy one/or sell the one you currently have and move on until you find your zen camera.
My guess is though, with the amount of GAS that gets exhibited by camera folk, the likelihood of finding zen will be very slim
Cheers,
Dave
daveleo
what?
That was quick. Fuji made their top camera obsolete in less than a year.
What did Fuji do to make the Xpro1 obsolete?
Has an Xpro2 been announced? (or leaked?)
jarski
Veteran
Was this mentioned somewhere? I find it odd too if they soon release XPro2. Too fast pace even for most early adopters.
kanzlr
Hexaneur
Good for me. I snagged one up recently for €400 less than retail
Fuji made their top camera obsolete in less than a year.
They are still making the X-Pro1 ...how is it obsolete?
gavinlg
Veteran
Yeah I gotta say, there's really nothing making the x-pro1 obsolete right now. In fact even the x100 which is a few years old isn't obsolete either. The x-pro1 has a new firmware update coming out in 4 days which is going to half the AF time, improve the EVF experience considerably, improve manual focussing considerably - almost a new camera really.
Anyone that's selling their x-pro's based on dissatisfaction with the camera is pretty stupid to be selling them 4 days before the new firmware is released, that's all I've got to say.
Anyone that's selling their x-pro's based on dissatisfaction with the camera is pretty stupid to be selling them 4 days before the new firmware is released, that's all I've got to say.
Right gavin. It is a unique camera and in a few days, will hopefully be fully realized.
willie_901
Veteran
I am skeptical that the RFF classified ads are a valid statistical sample to predict or evaluate consumer sentiment.
The ads are, however, one of the best ways to sell and purchase cameras and lenses.
The ads are, however, one of the best ways to sell and purchase cameras and lenses.
aleksanderpolo
Established
Not obsolete, but compared to x100, the XP1 has a pretty significant drop in used value in shorter period of time.
I do not like the ultra fast update cycle of the mirrorless segment (I think xe1 is of better value with its more useable EVF though), DSLR and M still retain its value over time better.
I do not like the ultra fast update cycle of the mirrorless segment (I think xe1 is of better value with its more useable EVF though), DSLR and M still retain its value over time better.
boomguy57
Well-known
Seems like a lot of folks got one and aren't in love with it. There was a lot of hype about it and frankly, from a non-user, it seems like it didn't quite live up to it.
froyd
Veteran
I think Akiva has a point. Obsolete is a word that's charged with different meanings, but to a great extent the cannibalization that Fuji is likely to experience (if internet and forum comments are to be believed) will be driven by photographers for whom the E1 represent a better choice than the XP1.
Obviously, in the minds of those who would still purchase the XP1, obsolescence in purchase preference has not been reached.
In any case, the XP1 is still a very relevant and class leading camera. It's just that it's likely to suffer somewhat at the hands of it's younger stable mate, but I think Fuji's overall strategy was sound because it will give them a bigger market for their lenses.
I wish the forum interface allowed for Venn diagrams, so we'd all realize we are saying the same thing!
Obviously, in the minds of those who would still purchase the XP1, obsolescence in purchase preference has not been reached.
In any case, the XP1 is still a very relevant and class leading camera. It's just that it's likely to suffer somewhat at the hands of it's younger stable mate, but I think Fuji's overall strategy was sound because it will give them a bigger market for their lenses.
I wish the forum interface allowed for Venn diagrams, so we'd all realize we are saying the same thing!
Kent
Finally at home...
That's the point.
I was thinking hard if I should buy an M8 or a X-Pro 1.
I have decided for the M8 and against the Fuji, although the M8 is many years older.
The manual focus just doesn't feel right with the Fuji lenses.
And why adapt when I can have "the real thing"?
Live up to what?
fstops
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Exactly. It was not like Xpro1 was promising something extraordinary. Anyone with basic camera knowledge knew what they were getting into --- or maybe not, but if they did not then it sucks for them.
No one is forcing anyone to buy, its people who're using the act of buying for all sorts of reasons, from simple feel good to a cure for depression.
A camera can never make someone a better photographer, this is a sad truth, sad because even I wish it wasn't the case.
j.scooter
Veteran
That's the point.
I was thinking hard if I should buy an M8 or a X-Pro 1.
I have decided for the M8 and against the Fuji, although the M8 is many years older.
The manual focus just doesn't feel right with the Fuji lenses.
And why adapt when I can have "the real thing"?
Why buy an autofocus camera when you want to focus manually?
rbelyell
Well-known
kent everyone is different i know and certainly entitled to evaluate in their own way. but i dont see mandatory use of filters on beautiful and expensive glass as either not 'adapting' or the 'real thing'. just an example of how opinions can rightfully differ...
tony
tony
rbelyell
Well-known
simply for versatility reasons. i enjoy using legacy glass digitally, but there are times when AF ability is much preferred for a given situation. its comforting to have one tool that can accomodate both desires.
having said that, the present incarnation of fuji is not for those who want to use FUJI AF lenses manually.
fstops
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Here is a small measure to know if a camera is obsolete or not.
In every photography forum you have camera specific thread where people post images taken with that particular camera. When a camera is "in" you click and check those threads and the photos posted there and when the camera becomes obsolete you no longer click on those threads and the number of pictures posted in them decreases until it stops.
In every photography forum you have camera specific thread where people post images taken with that particular camera. When a camera is "in" you click and check those threads and the photos posted there and when the camera becomes obsolete you no longer click on those threads and the number of pictures posted in them decreases until it stops.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
A lot of people (on RFF, especially) clearly came to this camera with expectations that it would be a different camera than it is. It's not worse, just different. And it is a difficult camera to master; the people I know who shoot X-Pro's generally took some time to adapt their workflow to its different interface and to some limitations therein. This is not to say that it's a bad camera, only that for some people -- especially those who are deeply embedded in a traditional RF workflow -- it is a difficult accommodation.
I like mine a great deal and would not remotely consider exchanging it for an M8. And I do shoot it right alongside the M system that I've used since 1998.
If you want to see a different crowd's reaction to another camera, check out this interesting thread at The Online Photographer, where Mike Johnston discusses his failure to bond with the OM-D EM5 despite the fact that it in many respects looks like his "dream" camera. A pretty surprising number of readers who bought the camera concur with his disappointment.
None of this is to say that the OM-D or X-Pro are good, bad or obsolete. Only that different cameras work well for different people. It does surprise me that anyone would sell the X-Pro just days before firmware 2.0 is released on 18 September. Several aspects of the camera that have frustrated many users (speed of AF; MF behavior and EVF magnification) are known to be addressed and substantially improved in this update.
I like mine a great deal and would not remotely consider exchanging it for an M8. And I do shoot it right alongside the M system that I've used since 1998.
If you want to see a different crowd's reaction to another camera, check out this interesting thread at The Online Photographer, where Mike Johnston discusses his failure to bond with the OM-D EM5 despite the fact that it in many respects looks like his "dream" camera. A pretty surprising number of readers who bought the camera concur with his disappointment.
None of this is to say that the OM-D or X-Pro are good, bad or obsolete. Only that different cameras work well for different people. It does surprise me that anyone would sell the X-Pro just days before firmware 2.0 is released on 18 September. Several aspects of the camera that have frustrated many users (speed of AF; MF behavior and EVF magnification) are known to be addressed and substantially improved in this update.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Film cameras were obsoleted regularly too. The difference was that people didn't feel so terribly pushed to buy a new model as quickly because the differences from old to new were smaller, most of the time.
For instance, my Nikon F was obsoleted by the F2 eighteen months after I bought it. Much as I found the F2's improvements to be worth it, I didn't feel pressed to update because the F was working just fine for me.
Marketing now has created a consumer response which says "New model ... old model garbage ... must have new model" LONG before the old model is actually no longer sensible to use. That's what we, as photographers, have to fight against. My 2003 Olympus E-1 is STILL a very fine camera that makes superb photographs, as is the Panasonic L1 I sold to my friend, as is the Panasonic G1 I sold to another friend, etc.
My X2 is still a very fine performer even though the RX1 has now been announced. Would I like the RX1? Sure, looks great. Will I buy it? Um, let me wait a year before I answer ... ;-)