doncraig
Member
Take it from a user. It is a brilliant camera. Looking forward to picking up a second body at a reduced price soon.
Kent
Finally at home...
Yes, agreed!
PhotoMat
Well-known
The X-Pro 1 is not the panacea in the eternal quest for the "perfect" camera. Neither is the M9, the D4, the 1DX, etc. I think a lot of people are looking for something that does not, and most likely, WILL NOT exist. There will never be a perfect camera that meets everyone's needs perfectly. If some have the wherewithal to chase after ever-changing product lines, more power to them. Some folks like to tinker with new gizmos.
When reviewing the specs of X-Pro 1, I had a modest set of expectations:
Excellent image quality:.....Check.
Small form factor:.....Check.
Manual controls for shutter/aperture:.....Check!!!!!
Interchangeable, high-quality lenses:.....Check.
Excellent viewfinder:.....Check.
For me, this has been a camera that gets out of my way and allows me to conduct my photography according to my needs/style. However, I harbor no illusions that this camera will supplant my DSLR, medium format or large format gear. No one camera will. The Fuji does what it needs to do, and it does so beautifully.
Now, people just need to realize that the Linhof Technorama is horribly antiquated. Spread the work. I've always wanted one of those at a bargain price.
When reviewing the specs of X-Pro 1, I had a modest set of expectations:
Excellent image quality:.....Check.
Small form factor:.....Check.
Manual controls for shutter/aperture:.....Check!!!!!
Interchangeable, high-quality lenses:.....Check.
Excellent viewfinder:.....Check.
For me, this has been a camera that gets out of my way and allows me to conduct my photography according to my needs/style. However, I harbor no illusions that this camera will supplant my DSLR, medium format or large format gear. No one camera will. The Fuji does what it needs to do, and it does so beautifully.
Now, people just need to realize that the Linhof Technorama is horribly antiquated. Spread the work. I've always wanted one of those at a bargain price.
rbelyell
Well-known
query: does the new d600 FF from nikon for what will be a 'street' price under $2000, effect this discussion? it seems very compact to me, 100%view ovf, 24mp and just a few hundred more than the xp1?!
thoughts?
tony
thoughts?
tony
fstops
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The killer of Xpro1 is XE-1.
ChrisP
Grain Lover
Enough of you and your rational statements. Internet forums are not the place for that!
My Samsung Galaxy SII phone came out last year - I bought it this year - just before the release of the Galaxy SIII - it's "obsolete" from the manufacturers viewpoint; to me, it's years ahead of my previous "un-smart" phone.
I like using the X-Pro1 and although it's been commented that it's doesn't offer immediacy of a traditional RF; that is a relative statement. Someone who has no familiarity with an RF would not have immediacy with an M3 or a Konica Auto SIII or a Zeiss ZM etc.
The camera is what it is - just like all equipment.
You learn to work with it, live with its quirks, praise its features or you don't buy one/or sell the one you currently have and move on until you find your zen camera.
My guess is though, with the amount of GAS that gets exhibited by camera folk, the likelihood of finding zen will be very slim
Cheers,
Dave
GaryLH
Veteran
I don't think so... That is saying the d600 is going to be the killer of the d800.. Yes it will cannibalize potential sales, but it does not have a ovf. Seeing outside of the frame is a useful feature that is lost with the xe1.
Until both the SW update is out for the xp1 in sept 18th and people can get their hands on the xe1, the other aspects of which camera, in the end is better is still unknown.
Gary
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Not for me. If I wanted a DSLR in place of the X-Pro1 I'd already be shooting a 7D or a D7000, both of which already have IQ similar to the X-Pro and both of which have a form factor similar to the D800.
In any case the current lineup of compact primes from Canon is much more appealing than the similar lenses from Nikon. If I were going to get a FF DSLR it would be 5D III. Setting aside the red herring of resoution, the Canon line is far better in terms of shooting at this particular moment.
N.b., I've used a few Canons, but I'm not a Canon partisan and have never owned an interchangeable-lens Canon. I've always been a Nikon shooter but honestly I think they've misplaced the script.
GaryLH
Veteran
I used Nikon dslrs before the xp1, do not intend to go back down that path as tempting as it maybe sometimes.
Gary
rbelyell
Well-known
xp1: 1 pound, 5.5x3.2x1.7. 1.5 crop $1500
d600: 1.5 pounds, 5.5x4.5x3.2 FF $2000
that aint your moms nikon! and it aint d800 size either.
d600: 1.5 pounds, 5.5x4.5x3.2 FF $2000
that aint your moms nikon! and it aint d800 size either.
Mcary
Well-known
For me the big difference between a compact DSLR body and something like the X100, X-Pro 1 or M8 is the basic design layout of the body. For example while a X100, M6 and M8 all fit naturally into my hand(s) every prosumer Canon DSLR including the 5D mrk I, up until the 7D felt small and akward. Sure I could use a grip, but that kind of defeats the whole purpose of a compact camera.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
I think these sales are just like any others we see everytime a new digital camera comes out. Each new camera has so many new bells and whistles that none of us understands what we're getting into until we get our hands on one and try it for awhile. A camera like the X-Pro1 is a whole new ballgame and it takes a bit of time to get comfortable with. I think its during that learning time that some folks decide its not comfortable for them. Had they stayed with it longer, and customized it to their needs, they may have kept it. In the old days of only-film cameras, we all knew basically what we were getting into when we bought a new camera. Maybe it had newer metering pattern, or maybe it wound the film on automatically, but the number of new bells and whistles with each advance in camera design was small and the learning curve was minor.
I think this sums it up. Many people may have bought a X-Pro1 expecting a $1699 M9 alternative for their "legacy glass." However, I would imagine most people who fell in love with this camera use it with native lenses (and the 35mm 1.4 is amazing!). As for the mechanical RF... we all know there is no alternative.
Sometimes hope doesn't match reality.
GaryLH
Veteran
Won't argue that
But even when I was shooting film 100%, 90% of my needs were handled by Contax g2 or Leica rf and I would use the Nikon slr for anything greater than the 90f2.8 from Contax or Leica..
Now the xp1 w/ it's combo ovf/evf gives me ability to use some pretty long lenses from my old film days along with the af lenses they have in their line. The biggest advantage the Nikon dslr has is the stabilization of their long af lenses versus the use of non is lenses... But since I tend to do over 90% of my shooting from 90 and below, for me the dslr is not a big must have.
For others this can be quite different. Choice is good. I know there are a ton of people who have been waiting for this camera. Before I bought the xp1, I was one of them...
Gary
fstops
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The main difference between D600 and Xpro1 is, one of them you use to make a living, go to war, go to rainforests, go to mountains... The other you take to the local Starbucks and put it on the table, while pretending that you're not conscious of the fact that people will look at your camera and compliment you.
I'm not a very funny person but I tried to make this point in a funny way.
I'm not a very funny person but I tried to make this point in a funny way.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Neither camera is weather sealed and both have more than sufficient IQ and sensitivity for most professional work. Linear resolution in lp/image height will likely be similar between the X-Pro and the D600 (with the XF35 the X-Pro peaks at 65 lp/mm, measured) Thus the functional Venn diagrams are largely overlapping and which camera is better comes down to the particular job and the preferences of the shooter.
And if I was gonna get into a new DSLR system, I'd still go Canon -- if only because I'd be able to use an EOS-M as a backup body with full native lens support.
fstops
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Or you could use the Nikon V1 with an adopter as a super telephoto - with autofocus with AFS lenses...
Nikon's bread and butter is photography, if its cameras fail the whole company fails. Others, even Canon are partly into still photography so they don't really care.
Its always smart to stick with a specialist.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
I've shot mainly Nikon and Leica since the 1980s but through that period most of my pro friends shot Canon. To imply that Canon are somehow dilettantes in this market is simply absurd.
Anyway, the point is that there is currently a wide variety of cameras capable of doing advanced or professional-level work. The X-Pro and the D600 are among these, as are the 5DIII, 7D, NEX-7, etc.
Pick your poison and focus on doing the best you can with the tools you've chosen.
Anyway, the point is that there is currently a wide variety of cameras capable of doing advanced or professional-level work. The X-Pro and the D600 are among these, as are the 5DIII, 7D, NEX-7, etc.
Pick your poison and focus on doing the best you can with the tools you've chosen.
rbelyell
Well-known
the point wasnt nikon vs canon. the point was compact full frame vs compact crop factor at similar price points
canon has nothing to do with this proposed comparison because it is neither compact nor is it at a similar price point. hell, i'd choose the hasselblad 5d that just came out, but its got nothing to do with the advent of a cheap truly compact FF
btw i do agree with mikes comment that, whilst compact, these cameras will feel quite different in ones hand...
canon has nothing to do with this proposed comparison because it is neither compact nor is it at a similar price point. hell, i'd choose the hasselblad 5d that just came out, but its got nothing to do with the advent of a cheap truly compact FF
btw i do agree with mikes comment that, whilst compact, these cameras will feel quite different in ones hand...
Paul T.
Veteran
It's great the variety of opinions you get on the interwebz.
However, altho I vaguely disagree with the premise of this thread - part of the typical rff schtick, where we all put down the gear we haven't bought and praise the cameras we have, as if there's no other choice but our own - there is a wider point.
Sony are launching their full frame compact; Nikon have their budget-ish D600. I think that's a step change. Fuji, and all the other pretenders, will have to go full frame if they want to keep 'Pro" in the name of their cameras. And the same could well apply to the pricer micro 43 cameras.