raid
Dad Photographer
I agree with Ellen. I want such a statement to be clearly stated on the report. I expect my M9 back soon. I am using the M240 loaner as often as possible until I have to mail it back.
ornate_wrasse
Moderator
Lucky you to get to use an M240 loaner. Did Leica send it to you while your M9 is being repaired? I should have such luck!
sevres_babylone
Veteran
Mine only came with a "Test Certificate", listing Service Number, Product, Serial Number, and Date: 10/27'2017. It says "This Leica product was tested and inspected by Leica factory trained technicians and found to meet all factory standards." Unfortunately it is silent as to whether that means the standards of 2011 or of 2017
Sensor aside, they certainly adjusted the rangefinder, and my CV 75 F1.8 is focusing perfectly wide open.
Sensor aside, they certainly adjusted the rangefinder, and my CV 75 F1.8 is focusing perfectly wide open.
ornate_wrasse
Moderator
Mine only came with a "Test Certificate", ... Unfortunately it is silent as to whether that means the standards of 2011 or of 2017
Sensor aside, they certainly adjusted the rangefinder, and my CV 75 F1.8 is focusing perfectly wide open.
Glad to hear they adjusted the rangefinder.
I agree that Test Certificate unfortunately gives you no assurance that the sensor was replaced
Why can't Leica be more clear on this when they send the cameras back? :bang:
cz23
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Ellen, mine also said "necessary labor." I asked them by email to explain and they stated specifically that the sensor was changed. I saved the email thread as a PDF. Which was good because I sold the camera and the buyer wanted proof.
Indicentally, mine also took six hours. A four+ month wait for a six-hour repair is pretty crazy. They must have a lot of them. At least it's back now. Enjoy.
John
raid
Dad Photographer
Yes, I was very lucky. I am getting used to using the M240, which is "dangerous"! When I switch over to my M8, it feels like going from an SLR to a RF camera. Things are basic and I have to pick my images one at a time, slowly.
raid
Dad Photographer
The original Leica NJ communications with me had in it "damaged sensor". By default, getting the M9 repaired implies getting a new sensor. Having this done late in 2017 also implies that the sensor is the new type sensor.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I believe the new sensor came out in mid-2015. So I'd think that any M9 accompanied by paper work dated from that date forward could be assumed to have the new sensor. It's probably even safer to think that any sensor replaced before then has merely a "new old" sensor, not a "new new" one.
raid
Dad Photographer
So now we have the categories:
1. new-old-sensor
2. new-new-sensor
3. old-old-sensor
4. old-new-sensor.
Good luck with convincing a prospective buyer of your M9 about your claims that your M9 have a "new new sensor".
1. new-old-sensor
2. new-new-sensor
3. old-old-sensor
4. old-new-sensor.
Good luck with convincing a prospective buyer of your M9 about your claims that your M9 have a "new new sensor".
Huss
Veteran
My M-E never focused well wide open from new until the sensor replacement and included rf adjustment.
Which means they delivered a new camera to me w/ the rf improperly adjusted. Makes those quality check certificates they include w/ every new product seem pretty useless.
jszokoli
Well-known
Well now I'm getting impatient for the return on my Monochrom. It was sent in more than 20 weeks ago, and while I did get a estimate that the repair would be free that was the last I heard.
What have other people experienced for NJ turnaround on Monochrom's.
Joe
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Back in December 2016 I was told 10 weeks, but it ended up being 12 weeks. Realize that there is a holiday/New Year's shutdown that likely extended my turnaround.
Also the bottleneck with Monochrom's seems to be the supply of sensors. I suspect this still persists. I was able to take advantage of a waiting list to continue using my Monochrom for 4 months to avoid a 6 month wait.
Last night I was shooting my Monochrom and SL at the Brooklyn Accelerator. Really glad I still own my Monochrom. It may be very simple, basic, and primitive, but it is still a great camera with a unique rendering that I love.
My experience with Leica service has been positive, but I'm not dealing with this log-jam that currently exists. Mighty glad that I got my sensor replaced in a timely manner.
Cal
DwF
Well-known
Update
Update
Joe and Cal,
I spoke to Leica NJ this morning. Mine is an MM as well and my repair order dates to May 23rd. They assured me they would be calling Germany specifically inquiring as to status on the shipment of those sensors. And I should be getting an email with info as soon as they have news to report.
Cal, the MM may be primitive but elegantly so!
David
Update
Joe and Cal,
I spoke to Leica NJ this morning. Mine is an MM as well and my repair order dates to May 23rd. They assured me they would be calling Germany specifically inquiring as to status on the shipment of those sensors. And I should be getting an email with info as soon as they have news to report.
Cal, the MM may be primitive but elegantly so!
David
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
Cal, the MM may be primitive but elegantly so!
David
David,
That is its charm. Most like a film camera because it is so basic and elemental. Definitely a novel rendering. CCD sensors are more expensive to manufacture than CMOS, so it is unlikely another B&W only CCD camera will be made by Leica. No frills.
I love mine warts and all.
Mine is heavily used. The top plate shows wear through the black anodize and there is a nickel patina along the corners and edges.
The M-246 is a way more advanced camera.
Cal
cz23
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Joe and Cal,
I spoke to Leica NJ this morning. Mine is an MM as well and my repair order dates to May 23rd. They assured me they would be calling Germany specifically inquiring as to status on the shipment of those sensors. And I should be getting an email with info as soon as they have news to report.
Cal, the MM may be primitive but elegantly so!
David
Wow, David. 5+ months and still no MM sensor inventory. What is going on there?!
John
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Leica has both my M-E and my MM. So it looking like it's going to be a while longer. My MM went in early June and my M-E in July when I picked up the M 10. I'm really hoping by New Year.
Luke_Miller
Established
I suspect that since the CCD sensor in question is not used in current production cameras it is likely a special order item and requires a change in the production process to manufacture. So only available in batches and the batches are produced on an infrequent basis.
raid
Dad Photographer
... and it is for free. I can wait.
DwF
Well-known
Thanks for the responses and empathy! All that Leica glass just sitting! :-( I have to say all of the customer service folks have been very nice and taken time each time I phone to look into the status. I will for sure keep you all posted.
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
I believe Luke's insight is true and valid. In particular it seems the Monochrom sensor is in the shortest supply.
Cal