Shooting Eastman (Double-X) 5222 in the Leica

I'd love to try this film myself. Anyone here who's in the US have some and up for a swap for some 35mm color or black and white so I can try it?

I considered just buying a 400' roll but I have no clue how to get that into 100' spools safely. I've looked around online and it seems like 100' or individual rolls are hard to come by or expensive.

I'm just looking for say four or so 24-36 exposure rolls to try. Like I said, I'll swap some film for it. I have an assortment of black and white films including lots of interesting color, slide and bw films to trade.

Unless someone has a link to a place in the US where I can get a roll of 100' or cassettes of it?
 
alienmeatsack said:
I'd love to try this film myself. Anyone here who's in the US have some and up for a swap for some 35mm color or black and white so I can try it?

I considered just buying a 400' roll but I have no clue how to get that into 100' spools safely. I've looked around online and it seems like 100' or individual rolls are hard to come by or expensive.

I'm just looking for say four or so 24-36 exposure rolls to try. Like I said, I'll swap some film for it. I have an assortment of black and white films including lots of interesting color, slide and bw films to trade.

Unless someone has a link to a place in the US where I can get a roll of 100' or cassettes of it?
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This person is selling by the roll. You should contact him..

http://www.apug.org/forums/forum379/123186-fs-kodak-double-x-36-24-exposure-rolls.html
 
My sample rolls arrived quickly but I have yet to be able to try them. I've been fighting a cold and just now starting to feel better.

This weekend I plan on loading maybe 2 cameras up and going up for a test run. Then I have to decide how to develop it as I only got 6 rolls to try and I've got more soups then that.

I was thinking I'd use the M3 and one of my non-Leica cameras that is fussy so I can see how it does. Funny part, I'm already thinking I'd like to buy a large roll of the stuff. I called around today to try and find short ends of it and no one had any, just the 400' rolls. And those have apparently gone way up in price.
 
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(M7 28/2.8 M-ROKKOR XX @250E.I.)
 
I posted this in another thread on the same film subject but I thought I'd post it here as well.

I just called Kodak and got a price for the Eastman 5222 for a 400' at $214. I was told shipping was based on weight and goes through UPS and that it would be around $10 USD for shipping to a US location.

That's around $55 per roll of 100'. Which is not too bad, but means you have to deal with the huge 400' roll and put it into more manageable reels and into cassettes.

Looks like Film Project is asking $80 for a 100' roll plus $3 to $10 for shipping (Media Mail vs Priority). A bit of a "convenience" markup, but not unreasonable for someone who does not want to or have the means to handle a 400' roll. TriX is around that per 100', and it's comparable to TriX, so it's, again, reasonable -- to me.

I had considered buying some myself from Kodak themselves and then reselling some of it to help pay my costs and I'd have to charge a similar fee to someone else to cover my shipping costs and the tin and everything anyway. But I started trying to figure out how to handle it. I'd have to build a rig to hold the reel and keep it from unrolling or unspooling, then find more 100' tins to use plus dark bags and cores etc. (I was told by one person he uses black PVC as cores.)

Still, in my head, I want the actual 400' version so I can hold it in my hands above my head and shout "IT IS MINE!". If that makes sense? :D

Is this crazy?
 
alienmeatsack said:
I posted this in another thread on the same film subject but I thought I'd post it here as well.

I just called Kodak and got a price for the Eastman 5222 for a 400' at $214. I was told shipping was based on weight and goes through UPS and that it would be around $10 USD for shipping to a US location.

That's around $55 per roll of 100'. Which is not too bad, but means you have to deal with the huge 400' roll and put it into more manageable reels and into cassettes.

Looks like Film Project is asking $80 for a 100' roll plus $3 to $10 for shipping (Media Mail vs Priority). A bit of a "convenience" markup, but not unreasonable for someone who does not want to or have the means to handle a 400' roll. TriX is around that per 100', and it's comparable to TriX, so it's, again, reasonable -- to me.

I had considered buying some myself from Kodak themselves and then reselling some of it to help pay my costs and I'd have to charge a similar fee to someone else to cover my shipping costs and the tin and everything anyway. But I started trying to figure out how to handle it. I'd have to build a rig to hold the reel and keep it from unrolling or unspooling, then find more 100' tins to use plus dark bags and cores etc. (I was told by one person he uses black PVC as cores.)

Still, in my head, I want the actual 400' version so I can hold it in my hands above my head and shout "IT IS MINE!". If that makes sense? :D

Is this crazy?
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Yes. You don't need a device to spool from 400 foot cores. If you have a darkroom (or a dark room) you can take the core out of the tin, unfold the plastic bag and pull out 36 frames worth, cut it off with scissors, tape and spool onto the spool. I don't think my darkroom is completely black so I do this at night. No problems at all after I had done two cassettes. DO NOT try and handle the core vertically! Just lay it on a table or counter and let it turn on your finger as you pull off film with the other hand. It's really stupid simple. Just go through the motions in your mind with the lights on to get the muscle memory going. You'll be fine as long as you keep the core flat on the table and mostly in its plastic bag. Stay calm avoid too much coffee and you'll do just fine.

I use HC-110 1:50. The mid-tones are lovely.
 
The outstretched arms works well too. I leave the spool with film in the can (out of the plastic bag and just pull out a full arms lengths. You hold on the one end - tape the spool to the end of the film (or trim the beginning to fit an IXMOO cassette). Then grab the taped on spool in your right hand - stretch the arm back as far as you can - with the left hand you grab the film and pull that as far as you can, cut it (I usually hold the scissors ready in the left hand too). This gives anywhere from 35 - 39 frames. Spool up the film on the centerspool and insert in to the cassette. A good tool for that is easily crafted using a dowel pin (wood) - carve it so that it will fit into the centre of the spool, snug fit, and whittle a slot in it that fits over the cross bar in the spool. Makes it easy to hold the spool and also "twirl" it until the length of film is snug around the spool.
You can leave the roll of XX flat on the table -except that the film is quite "springy" and will uncurl a bit. Keeping it in the bottom half of the can stops that. You will also find that as you get closer to the core - the film has a tendency uncurl with force!
The trick is to accumulate enough cassettes that the process is worthwhile. I try to do at least 20-25 at a time - or if I am "on a roll" (sorry bad pun) - I do a whole 400 ft can (68-70 rolls).
Another helpful trick is to apply the tape to the centerspools in daylight (I use gaffers tape 1" wide). This way you don't have to fumble with tape/scissors in total darkness - leave a bit of tape sticking up so it easy to feel. Be sure that the film fits nicely between the flanges of the centerspool - if you try to force it down - it can split and jam.
I use the lid of a 11x14 print box as a "work" surface. This way cassette, cap,scissors etc are staying put. Murphy's Law decrees that anything that can roll off the work table - will do so! At least with the 11x14" box lid - it can't go too far!
 
I don't have a darkroom or anywhere with darkness that is complete and total (unless exgf's hearts count?). And I am clutz so I'm pretty sure that if I were to try the above the entire spool of film would end up on the floor unraveled. :D

I ordered some 100' for now and will try the 400' later.

I was just going to put the 400' reel into the changing bag, laying in the bottom half of the can witht eh leader sticking out of the black bag they usualltt come in, and just hand wind as much as I could stand into a core until it was big enough it would fit into a 100' tin, tape and rubber band, bag and can, viola.

I will maybe try the larger reel when I have my darkroom in working order.
 
alienmeatsack said:
I was just going to put the 400' reel into the changing bag, laying in the bottom half of the can witht eh leader sticking out of the black bag they usualltt come in, and just hand wind as much as I could stand into a core until it was big enough it would fit into a 100' tin, tape and rubber band, bag and can, viola.
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This would work fine too. My changing bag is larger than the one I had back it the day and I have put in it a long rectangle of 'shirt cardboard', long enough that it bows upward and forms a tent out of the bag. Keeps the fabric from lying on my hands and getting them sweaty. Works a treat. Good luck.
 
alienmeatsack said:
I was just going to put the 400' reel into the changing bag, laying in the bottom half of the can witht eh leader sticking out of the black bag they usualltt come in, and just hand wind as much as I could stand into a core until it was big enough it would fit into a 100' tin, tape and rubber band, bag and can, viola.
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Although I have a darkroom I prefer to use a changing bag and either roll cassettes or the bulk loaders whilst watching a movie. My method is on my "Hints & Tips" page.
 
I am trying to see how many rolls I can squeeze through 2000 ml of Td 201 A and B. This is after 55 rolls. I extended the B time to 4 minutes - probably not much difference from 3 min though.
Slightly lower contrast - but very smooth tones and remarkably good grain. This "sunny f16" with the film rated at around 250/320 iso. I did open up a 1/2 stop to get the car brighter.
M2, M-Nokton 50mm f1.5 and XX in Td 201.
 
Tom A said:
I am trying to see how many rolls I can squeeze through 2000 ml of Td 201 A and B. This is after 55 rolls. I extended the B time to 4 minutes - probably not much difference from 3 min though.
Slightly lower contrast - but very smooth tones and remarkably good grain. This "sunny f16" with the film rated at around 250/320 iso. I did open up a 1/2 stop to get the car brighter.
M2, M-Nokton 50mm f1.5 and XX in Td 201.
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Looks good, Tom! May I know whether you mind sharing the formula for Td 201? I may attempt to mix some to try. :)
 
This is copied from earlier in the thread,
Here is TD-201 for anybody (here) interested:


Solution A

Metol.................... 5g
Sodium Sulphite.... 100g
Water to Make ...... 1-Litre


Solution B

Borax .................... 2g
Sodium Metaborate.. 5g
Sodium Sulphite...... 6g
Sodium Sulfate ....... 40g
Water to Make......... 1-Litre
 
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