Mark C
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I don't know if it is the 777 or the Armor All, but lovely tones nonetheless. I've been curious about this developer, but will probably never get around to trying it.
Do you have a full shot of the Morgan? We don't see many around here.
Do you have a full shot of the Morgan? We don't see many around here.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor

Mark, I did not have a full view of the flat rad Morgan scanned in. Have to ;ooh for it.
In the meantime, TriX in the Harvey 777 (9 min). Worked very well and that was the look I was aiming for with the XX. needs more testing obviously.
Leica MP and Voigtlander Nokton 28mm f2.0
bcli
Established
Very nice Tom. Another experiment I need to try.Mark, I did not have a full view of the flat rad Morgan scanned in. Have to ;ooh for it.
In the meantime, TriX in the Harvey 777 (9 min). Worked very well and that was the look I was aiming for with the XX. needs more testing obviously.
Leica MP and Voigtlander Nokton 28mm f2.0
SyPat
Established
XX in FX-55
XX in FX-55
I tried FX-55 with XX. The results are impressive.
I was a bit skeptical because I noticed that developers with ascorbic acid increase the visibility of grain of XX, but FX-55 is definitively better than D-96A or Xtol on this matter. Grain is fine and tight, mid-tones are superbs and definition is much better than anything else I tried with XX.
FX-55 is said to increase speed from 1/3 to 1 stop, but I did'nt saw that. According to my tests, the speed is between 250 and 320 (daylight).
I'm sorry but I have only taken test strips whose size is not compatible with the site (500x500 maximum).
More information on FX-55 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX-55_(film_developer)
XX in FX-55
I tried FX-55 with XX. The results are impressive.
I was a bit skeptical because I noticed that developers with ascorbic acid increase the visibility of grain of XX, but FX-55 is definitively better than D-96A or Xtol on this matter. Grain is fine and tight, mid-tones are superbs and definition is much better than anything else I tried with XX.
FX-55 is said to increase speed from 1/3 to 1 stop, but I did'nt saw that. According to my tests, the speed is between 250 and 320 (daylight).
I'm sorry but I have only taken test strips whose size is not compatible with the site (500x500 maximum).
More information on FX-55 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX-55_(film_developer)
Fotohuis
Well-known
For people in the Netherlands, maybe good news that our Fotohuis is importing Bergger products since next month so the OrWo Filmotec N74+ can be ready bought in a very good Ilford/Harman 135-36 assy for Eur. 4,25 incl. Dutch 21% VAT under Bergger BRF400 plus film 135-36.
So the expensive Kodak XX in Holland is not necessary anymore ....
So the expensive Kodak XX in Holland is not necessary anymore ....
Tom A
RFF Sponsor

Double X in Harvey 777 for 9.5 minutes.
Leica M2 and Zeiss C Biogon 35mm f2.8
Nokton48
Veteran
Fred DeVan's excellent writeup on Harvey 777, including some formulas:
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Harvey/harvey.html
TomA, how did you obtain your 777 ? I see Harvey's Defender 777 is available in kit form through Photographer's Formulary.
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Harvey/harvey.html
TomA, how did you obtain your 777 ? I see Harvey's Defender 777 is available in kit form through Photographer's Formulary.
Fotohuis
Well-known
For Europe you can order Windisch W665. Another Ultra Fine Grain type developer from Hans Windisch which is using Ortho- Phenylene Diamine instead of the more poisoning Para- Phenylene Diamine (in 777) and a bit less staining because Para- Phenylene Diamine is really terrible stuff for working with.
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/W665%20Windisch.pdf
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/W665%20Windisch.pdf
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
Fred DeVan's excellent writeup on Harvey 777, including some formulas:
http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Harvey/harvey.html
TomA, how did you obtain your 777 ? I see Harvey's Defender 777 is available in kit form through Photographer's Formulary.
My Harvey 777 was languishing in my dark room for a long time. Can't really remember where I got it from. Could be a left over package from when I used it with 4x5 decades ago! Dark rooms have these black corners and deep shelves where thing congregate and suddenly you find things you can't remember you had!
slidesandthecity
Established
Fotohuis
Well-known
Indeed, dark corners in the dark room. I just found back a small 125ml bottle of original Agfa Rodinal of about 15-20 years ago.
The Windisch W665 formula has been published in several books from Hans Windisch and can be also found back in the Darkroom Cook Book.
The Windisch W665 formula has been published in several books from Hans Windisch and can be also found back in the Darkroom Cook Book.
Fotohuis
Well-known

Fomapan Creative 200 (135-36) E.I. 100 in W665 1+0 9:45 minutes at 20C. Exactly 0,72logD on the Grey card!
semi-ambivalent
Little to say
Nokton48
Veteran
My Harvey 777 was languishing in my dark room for a long time. Can't really remember where I got it from. Could be a left over package from when I used it with 4x5 decades ago! Dark rooms have these black corners and deep shelves where thing congregate and suddenly you find things you can't remember you had!
My darkroom also has dark corners and deep shelves where things congregate. Thinking about it, so does my studio
That Fomapan 200 also looks really good in the Harvey's-type. And TomA, so does the XX! I recently have gotten 300 sheets of 9x12cm Fomapan 200, so I think I will be trying this developer with it. Looks promising.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Bluegrass are not shipping the 777 overseas :bang:
slidesandthecity
Established
Maybe one of our North American members can help you out?
If not - and you really want it - there are services, which will provide a US-address and from there it will be sent to you for a few $ extra.
I'm considering using one of them, but I mixed up a gallon of Diafine a week before the announcement ... decisions, decisions.
If not - and you really want it - there are services, which will provide a US-address and from there it will be sent to you for a few $ extra.
I'm considering using one of them, but I mixed up a gallon of Diafine a week before the announcement ... decisions, decisions.
Fotohuis
Well-known
Bluegrass are not shipping the 777 overseas
For Europe you can order Windisch W665. Another Ultra Fine Grain type developer from Hans Windisch which is using Ortho- Phenylene Diamine instead of the more poisoning Para- Phenylene Diamine (in 777) and a bit less staining because Para- Phenylene Diamine is really terrible stuff for working with.
For, of course above mentioned reason.
Do not worry, just order W665. I am sending it in whole EU.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
Bluegrass are not shipping the 777 overseas :bang:
Chris, I will talk to them this week and add a package or two to my order for you.
Tom
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Chris, I will talk to them this week and add a package or two to my order for you.
Tom
Very much appreciated Tom
Shooting 120 this week in Cornwall, two backs so both b/w and colour but no 5222 obviously.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor

Double X @ 320 iso. Harvey 777 for 9.5 min. M4P and Color Skopar 28mm f3.5. Under exposed by 3/4-1 stop on purpose for the clouds.
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