Show me to your leaders! (film leaders...)

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I like to bulk roll my own 35mm, and I like making nice, curved leaders like you see on factory film loads.

Unfortunately, doing this with scissors is time-consuming. I have started to do the single snip-across, which is a time saver but doesn't look as nice.

I'd like you to show me how you cut the leaders to your bulk rolls, and if you use a special tool, please show me that too!
 
I have two bulk loaders, one of which I bought used. This one came with a nifty 'leader shaping tool' which is best described as a folded piece of metal (aluminium?) placing this around the end of the roll, a sharp blade is passed along it's edge and presto! A nice curved leader.
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The only snag is I have many cameras and this method only suits some but not all of them!
 
For my cameras which require a trimmed (longer) leader, I just eyeball it and do it with scissors. Its easy as long as you understand what you're trying to accomplish; the trimmed part has to be long enough to clear the second guide rail when the film is loaded into the bottom. I don't have a template so it looks a little silly but it works.
 
I cut a short curved leader about like the factory films. That seems to take about 4 seconds, so I don't know how you could save much time. Maybe you are fussing with it too much.

I just start partway up the cut end, make a little curve into the straight portion, then curve up between two sprocket holes. If the roll came out of the loader cut through a sprocket hole, then I start at the bottom and cut straight up through two holes until time to make the curve. I nice sharp pair of scissors is probably a big help; I just use the cheap Fiskars, but shorter blades might be a help. I do slightly blunt the point on any of my scissors that ever get used in the dark.

Sorry if I'm missing something in your question. Well other than the picture; mine look pretty much like factory, though maybe a hole shorter.
 
I haven't bulk loaded film in a long time, but I used scissors as others described. After a few tries you will wonder why you were worried. And don't worry, it doesn't have to be a perfect cut every time.
 
Curved nail scissors! I can't get a smooth curve with regular straight-blade scissors 🙁

That is...when I still tried to cut leaders... Most of my cameras don't need them. And when loading a Barnack I guide the film into place through the open shutter.
 
I have two bulk loaders, one of which I bought used. This one came with a nifty 'leader shaping tool' which is best described as a folded piece of metal (aluminium?) placing this around the end of the roll, a sharp blade is passed along it's edge and presto! A nice curved leader.
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The only snag is I have many cameras and this method only suits some but not all of them!

Sounds and looks easy enough!

Which of your cameras aren't suited to this?

It would be nice to be able to shape our Leaders...

but you may want something like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Lei...781566?hash=item568f43ef7e:g:zMYAAOSwUEVYDPLT

Regards

Joao

That would be nice, if it weren't more than a bulk roll of Tri-X.


That I can get behind.

I cut a short curved leader about like the factory films. That seems to take about 4 seconds, so I don't know how you could save much time. Maybe you are fussing with it too much.

I just start partway up the cut end, make a little curve into the straight portion, then curve up between two sprocket holes. If the roll came out of the loader cut through a sprocket hole, then I start at the bottom and cut straight up through two holes until time to make the curve. I nice sharp pair of scissors is probably a big help; I just use the cheap Fiskars, but shorter blades might be a help. I do slightly blunt the point on any of my scissors that ever get used in the dark.

Sorry if I'm missing something in your question. Well other than the picture; mine look pretty much like factory, though maybe a hole shorter.

Things that seem to take 4 seconds don't usually. Perhaps I am fussing, and perhaps my scissors are too big. I suspect that might be the case. Sharp, smaller scissors are probably in order.

I looked at those right after I got my first Barnack. Now I just count 13 sprocket holes and trim with scissors, may not look as pretty but it works just fine. 🙂

That works.

I haven't bulk loaded film in a long time, but I used scissors as others described. After a few tries you will wonder why you were worried. And don't worry, it doesn't have to be a perfect cut every time.

I think the four or five 100-foot rolls i've gone through in my bulk loading experience qualifies as "a few times." It's still slow, though. Maybe, as above, I'm fussy and using the wrong scissors.

Curved nail scissors! I can't get a smooth curve with regular straight-blade scissors 🙁

That is...when I still tried to cut leaders... Most of my cameras don't need them. And when loading a Barnack I guide the film into place through the open shutter.

That is a genuine tip! I'll have to get a pair.
 
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I simply cut a 1/2 width chunk away - approx 1-1.5 inches long. I use a pair of scissors from a seamstress shop. Nice and sharp, easy to cut. It doesn't have to be an exact cut - if it is two short - just pull out some more. I try to avoid cutting through a sprocket hole as you can have it sticking or fraying a bit.
 
Things that seem to take 4 seconds don't usually. Perhaps I am fussing, and perhaps my scissors are too big. I suspect that might be the case. Sharp, smaller scissors are probably in order.

You're right about that; I originally said 2 seconds, but went back and edited that to 4 seconds after I'd done some loading and roughly timed it. I'm sure I might take 6 seconds if I'm being very careful, but this seems to be about my norm.

I recall that I used to be unhappy with my leaders and considered using one of the plastic guides that showed up occasionally with bulk loaders, but I think all the ones I've had are for the old style long leaders.

I think what finally fixed it for me was just having the goal clear in my head. How far up to start the straight parallel cut, how long to make that, not rushing the curved cut, and carefully aiming between holes. I also find that a shorter leader is quicker and easier to cut and is what I prefer for loading.

I think the most important thing for scissors is being sharp. Nail scissors would work fine and make the curves easier, but would slow me down a lot. I like the nice ergonomic grips on the Fiskars, but think I medium length blade would be a bit better for this use, but these are my all purpose darkroom scissors that cut my paper test strips, my negatives, etc., so a good compromise to me.

BTW. I load in the darkroom so that I don't chance losing part of a frame if I shoot to the very end. I started using Lloyds loaders because they expose less of the tail, but continue to use them because they are quicker and easier for me (especially in the dark). I was guilt tripped into the Watson style decades ago, but eventually went back, and have never had a problem from the felt light trap on any of my 5 loaders - mostly bought used from various sources.

I think Leica had a nice metal leader template, but I've never seen it. Tom A could probably tell you about it, though I don't think he uses one. Tom's leaders look very much like mine. Mine might be a hole shorter (I don't count), and my curves might be more rounded on the ends, but very, very similar. A sewing supply shop would be an excellent place to shop for scissors. They should have good scissors and know what would work well for the type of cut.
 
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