Show me your 9x12 folder

[John E Earley]

Nice looking camera. I also have a Zeiss Ikon 9x12, but I think mine is a different model. Have you used yours yet? I haven't used mine as I have others I have been more inclined to use lately.

This photo was taken with the 9x12 above. Instead of film I used Ilford RC polycontrast paper as a negative and after development I scanned on a V600 and then reversed it in PS Elements.

Scanned paper negative from a 9x12 Zeiss Maximar by Earley Photography, on Flickr


There is a lot of dust marks from both trimming the paper to size and from my dusty scanner,

 

[oftheherd]

Nice photo. I think you have shown this before, right?

 

[John E Earley]

Nice photo. I think you have shown this before, right?

Yes. I've taken several other shots with this camera but they didn't turn out so well.

 

[Nokton48]

My present supply of 9x12cm film.

I decided last year to fill up my freezer. These will feed my three Plaubel Makiflexes (see my avatar). 9x12cm Ilford HP5, Efke 25, Efke PL100 (my favorite emulsion), Fomapan 100, Fomapan 200, Wephoto ORWO NP22, and Wephoto ORWO N05 (lith emulsion that supposedly can be processed in Rodinal for an interesting effect). And a box from the Ukraine that the seller says exposes well at an EI of 6 😱

 

[oftheherd]

My present supply of 9x12cm film.

I decided last year to fill up my freezer. These will feed my three Plaubel Makiflexes (see my avatar). 9x12cm Ilford HP5, Efke 25, Efke PL100 (my favorite emulsion), Fomapan 100, Fomapan 200, Wephoto ORWO NP22, and Wephoto ORWO N05 (lith emulsion that supposedly can be processed in Rodinal for an interesting effect). And a box from the Ukraine that the seller says exposes well at an EI of 6 😱

Please try and let us know how the EI 6 turns out. It sounds like it will need a really fine grain developer. Does you supplier sell on the 'net or ebay, or only to some buyers?

 

[Nokton48]

Does you supplier sell on the 'net or ebay, or only to some buyers?

It was an Ebay deal that I won several years ago. Long ago expired but tested by the seller. I have yet to try any.
My guess is there will probably be some fog as well as the loss in film speed. I thought I might use HC-110 when I get
around to it.

 

[Nokton48]

Scan-150209-0001 by Nokton48, on Flickr


Columbus Camera Group Exterior. Old film holders are -very- dusty inside! Hard to get rid of all of it in one go.
Plaubel Makiflex Standard, 9x12cm Efke PL100, Schneider Automatic Plaubel Makiflex Xenar, 1/125 @ F11 Developed in ADOX Borax MQ developer.

 

[Nokton48]

Scan-150208-0001 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Apples in A Bowl.

Plaubel Makiflex Standard, 240mm F5.5 Schneider Tele-Arton,
EFKE PL100 9x12cm film, eight seconds at F16, developed in
ADOX-Borax MQ developer. Scanned on Epson 4490 scanner.

 

[oftheherd]

Nice photos!

 

[Dcanalogue]

Zeiss Ica Trona

Zeiss Ica Trona

Hi Folders lovers!

After 7 120 folders (i'm absolutely in love with folders) 😀, I just bought a 9 x 12 one. It' a Zeiss Ica Trona 210 with Tessar lens..... Seems nice but now I need to find some film sheet holders (eventually a rollfilm adapter too).

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

[Ron (Netherlands)]

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Zeiss Ikon and its precursor ICA AG had a complex system of all types of plates used for their cameras. Best is to look for the numbers of the plates in the catalogues of Zeiss and ICA. They made slide-in plateholders and pop-off holders. Most of these came in 3 or 4 different dimensions, as single or double plates, in metal or wood.
According to the 1925 catalogue, you have to look for slide-in plates with the number 721/6. For filmpacks there is a holder with number 723/6. The catalogue number for the camera is 210 (but I have also seen cameras with number 212).
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[John E Earley]

I will have extra time on my hands for the next two weeks so I'll be dusting off this Zeiss.

Zeiss Ikon Maximar 207/7 9x12 by JOHN EARLEY, on Flickr

 

[oftheherd]

...

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Ron knows more than I do obviously, but he is correct about there being two different mounting types. One has slots between two flanges, and another has just a solid protrusion. I will try to get some photos of the two types, since my description isn't very good.

It is much more convenient to have the proper film holder, but if you can't wait, you can order Russian holders, which never seem to have film inserts. But you can cut a right sized piece of glass and put film over it. Inconvenient to be sure, but it will work if done carefully. I say that easily having never done it. For the same reason, a film pack holder should also be adaptable, with some kind of stuffing behind the glass.

But the best is a working cut film holder. Be patient and you will find them on ebay or perhaps other places. Do ask if the they have the film inserts if they aren't visible. Also be prepared to replace the felt for the dark slide area on whatever you use.

Good luck in using your camera. I find 9x12 a fascinating and fun camera to use.

 

[Nokton48]

The RADA catalog (although in German) shows most of the various types of holders.
It helped me zero-in on "Normalfalz" holders, for my cameras.

http://www.galerie-photo.com/manuels/dos-rada.pdf

 

[oftheherd]

Thanks for that Nokton48. My German is pretty non-existent, but I could get useful information with the little bit of English and photos.

My experience is that many cut film holders will fit many different 9x12. I have AP, Kodak, Zeiss, Voigtlander, and a couple of others with no identification. They all fit all the 9x12 I have; Kodak, Ica, Zeiss, Voigtlander, Argus, and a couple without identification. They all tend to have a different way to load and secure the film. I have to check them every time I load film!

 

[John E Earley]

Zeiss Ikon Taxo 9x12 by JOHN EARLEY, on Flickr

Although this camera does not have the swing, tilt or shift it does have a zone focus lever. In addition to the box, this camera came with two film holders in original wrappers, a Zeiss Ikon exposure guide with table, Directions for Using the Taxo-Cameras, directions for using Kodak Metal Film Pack with Super-XX Panchromatic Film, a metal film pack and a prescription form in the name of Arthur Rattenni M.D. of Providence R.I. and written on it "Kodak Film Pack Super-XX Panchromatic XX 518 3 1/4 x 4 1/4. The box looks nearly new and the camera looks mint. The film holders (Zeiss part 665/7 and insert 725/4) might never have been used.

 

[oftheherd]

Zeiss Ikon Taxo 9x12 by JOHN EARLEY, on Flickr

Although this camera does not have the swing, tilt or shift it does have a zone focus lever. In addition to the box, this camera came with two film holders in original wrappers, a Zeiss Ikon exposure guide with table, Directions for Using the Taxo-Cameras, directions for using Kodak Metal Film Pack with Super-XX Panchromatic Film, a metal film pack and a prescription form in the name of Arthur Rattenni M.D. of Providence R.I. and written on it "Kodak Film Pack Super-XX Panchromatic XX 518 3 1/4 x 4 1/4. The box looks nearly new and the camera looks mint. The film holders (Zeiss part 665/7 and insert 725/4) might never have been used.

Wow, quite a find. Some 9x12 did not have any movements at all. Most of mine have rise/fall and shift. I have heard of some that were made with swing and tilt, but I have never seen one. Hope you will post some photos when you take some. I don't recall what numbers my Zeiss folders have. I will have to look. I think Nokton48's link might have some numbers for some film holders.

 

[John E Earley]

Ihagee Patent Duplex with Xenar in Compur, Zeiss Ikon Maximar with Tessar in Compur, Zeiss Ikon Taxo with Novar in Derval


Three 9x12 Folders by JOHN EARLEY, on Flickr

 

[Dcanalogue]

Ooops, sorry, I missed your comment.
Thanks for your informations.

The camera arrived today, with four 721/6 holders. I've already ordered a Foma 100 film sheets pack.... Gonna test it soon.... 🙂

Zeiss Ikon and its precursor ICA AG had a complex system of all types of plates used for their cameras. Best is to look for the numbers of the plates in the catalogues of Zeiss and ICA. They made slide-in plateholders and pop-off holders. Most of these came in 3 or 4 different dimensions, as single or double plates, in metal or wood.
According to the 1925 catalogue, you have to look for slide-in plates with the number 721/6. For filmpacks there is a holder with number 723/6. The catalogue number for the camera is 210 (but I have also seen cameras with number 212).
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