Sigma Interchangable Lens Mirrorless Rumor

They'd want to make some serious improvements to the camera's high ISO capabilities and AF because the micro four thirds opposition is pretty damned slick!

Which isn't to say I don't love their products ... the Merrills are gems in their own right but this potential move doesn't excite me sorry.
 
if they are about to start new system, wish they don't design yet another lens mount on their own. rather partner with existing maker, Sony or Fuji for instance.
 
They should stick to the apsc sensor...the size is much better.

Of course a micro 4/3 with crop x2 is faster to focus...the lenses are all wide angles...a fov 50mm is really a 25mm lens...a fov 21 is a 10mm effective focal length!!!

I´d be happy with a contax tvs style merrill camera.
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I welcome any manufacturers entering the micro four thirds arena. Makes it more sustainable as a format. Though I'd think it more likely to be an APS-C model.

I've been impressed with some of the depth of colour achieved using the Foveon sensors with Merrills, so a mirrorless camera would be a very attractive option.
 
Monochrom said:
They should stick to the apsc sensor...the size is much better.

Of course a micro 4/3 with crop x2 is faster to focus...the lenses are all wide angles...a fov 50mm is really a 25mm lens...a fov 21 is a 10mm effective focal length!!!

I´d be happy with a contax tvs style merrill camera.
Short and slow zoom
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I'm going to argue the idea that APS-C sensor size is inherently better than 4/3. It allows for a larger surface area to catch light, agreed. But what you get from having a smaller sensor is:

-Smaller, ligher lenses (lighter elements focus very quickly. As you note, they have a low focal length number, but they are not "wide angle", they have the same fields of view as any other system of lenses)
-Capability for better in-body IS (a lighter sensor means the IS can be more effective, see E-M1 handheld shots at 1 second)
-Deeper DoF (equivalent to one stop on an APS-C or two stops on a FF) means that I can shoot my m4/3 lens at F1.4, but have the DoF of F2 (APS-C) or F2.8 (FF) while still having the extra stop of light, meaning I can use one stop less ISO (or two stops less than FF) to get the same image, and this partially negates the High ISO noise performance that comes with the smaller m4/3 sensor.

m4/3 has trade offs, but I'd put the current m4/3 cameras as capable as thier similarly priced APS-C counterparts.

I don't think pairing with either Sony or fuji would make much sense. Both of those are proprietary mounts. Micro Four Thirds is a standard intended to be used by multiple companies. It would save Sigma from being at Sony or Fuji's whim.
 
There are some really good lenses in m43 including 2 sigma art lenses (the 19 and 30 f2.8) or Panasonic lenses design by Leica like the 25 or their 20f1.8 or the Olympus 12, etc.

And all the legacy lens adaption for m43 for your favorite lenses.

I hope the rumor is true myself. Whether the final product s apsc or m43 or ff, having a csc foveon sensor is a nice addition...

Gary
 
In terms of color or b&w tonal quality no one beats them in ff or under yet. I feel in that u need to be around d800 land to match their sharpness/resolving capability. They are the best IMHO especially when u compare price.

W/ the lens matched to the sensor, u are not going to get better then the dp Merrill series.

I don't think their sd1 Merrill (their latest dslr) is selling as well as they had hoped. Their dp series maybe selling better.. Maybe the new csc will become real.. Dslr sales took a bigger hit then csc sales did in 2013 so far according to one japanese website.

The biggest issues w/ csc market for them
- which mount affects us all --> m43 is a mature market
-- if they don't go m43, then
--- their own mount means we all buy their new lenses
--- they use an existing mount like Fuji or Sony they need to pay royalties.. Personally, I would love if they did Fuji x mount..
-- most likely is going to be either m43 or their own proprietary. If they go m43, think of the ton of new sigma lenses they will develop on top of their current art line.
- hw and fw engineers that can help them solve their biggest issues
-- the digital data processing bottle neck for those 45-50mb raw files..
-- Followed by improving their af speed.
-- good evf technology

Sony partnered w/ Olympus and Fuji partnered w/ Panasonic lately on some stuff.. If sigma releases a csc, I hope they partner w/ one of them to get at least
- good evf tech
- af speed
- ibis

Anyway this is just any initial rumor... This thing may not ever see the light of day.

Gary
 
Personally at this point I'd much rather see a DP Merrill with a lens in the WA range (wider than 28 efov) that is sharp across the frame rather than any new CSC model. But that's just me.

This rumour is great news and I hope it is true. Cameras and the market are evolving very fast. It is a time of momentous transitions. The Leica CEO even just recently said that DSLRs might not even be around in ten years (http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/lei...-still-be-alive-in-10-years-no-way-we-go-mft/). I feel like it is a good time for me to wait out a few rounds of innovation and take pictures with what I have; let the dust settle a little bit.
 
Yeah.. I am pretty much there myself. I may buy some stuff to fill in some secondary needs, but what I have is good enough for me for next couple of years or longer. I am definitely waiting to c how everything pans out in the ff csc market.

Gary
 
GaryLH said:
Yeah.. I am pretty much there myself. I may buy some stuff to fill in some secondary needs, but what I have is good enough for me for next couple of years or longer. I am definitely waiting to c how everything pans out in the ff csc market.

Gary
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I figure it's gonna take until 2016 for the dust to begin to settle. By that time Fuji's direction will be clearer, Leica will have its CSC out, Sony's commitment and direction with their FF line will be clearer, and Canon/Nikon will have had to commit to some kind of response.

Right now there is an element of gamble buying into any CSC system (unless one is using exclusively adapted lenses or going MFT). We just don't know how far the makers' commitments go and what the line-up will look like in a few years.
 
Personally, I would welcome a basic Sigma m43 body.

As currently implemented, the current Foveon sensor will never be "mainstream", it has too many limitations. However, it does have some unique strengths, foremost amongst them, very high pixel-level resolution.

A small Foveon body would slot into the m43 ecosphere as a dedicated landscape camera. This camera would compete directly with the D800 on pure resolution and have access to an existing selection of extremely capable (and reasonably priced) lenses.

If Sigma really wants to make a splash, they would deliver a square (17.3mm x 17.3mm) 4/3 sensor. This would increase the surface area beyond that of their existing 1.62 crop-factor sensor and still fall within the four thirds specification.

The only other thing I would ask for, is that Sigma consider using an existing Panasonic or Olympus battery. The number of different batteries floating around is already beyond ridiculous!
 
a 21mm fov can be interesting...thou

I don´t like crop sensors (lenses) mainly because they have in one hand field (perspective) distortion of the wide angles and on the other less field due to inherent smaller sensor area.

I can live with the merrill because it´s 30mm lens can handle that issue quite well.

And the main reason why i love my merrill is because it can handle harsh light like no other, not even my m9 can.
I´ve seen many times how other apsc or m43 or even smaller sensor try to catch hard light but they´ve all failed...

I ´m not fond on hi iso...never kept me from shooting a good or a bad picture. I used for many years a IIIF with an elmar f3.5...it´s a slow combo...
Lighter or smaller lenses i think the elmar 5cm can easily win any competition. 😀


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noimmunity said:
Personally at this point I'd much rather see a DP Merrill with a lens in the WA range (wider than 28 efov) that is sharp across the frame rather than any new CSC model. But that's just me.

This rumour is great news and I hope it is true. Cameras and the market are evolving very fast. It is a time of momentous transitions. The Leica CEO even just recently said that DSLRs might not even be around in ten years (http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/lei...-still-be-alive-in-10-years-no-way-we-go-mft/). I feel like it is a good time for me to wait out a few rounds of innovation and take pictures with what I have; let the dust settle a little bit.
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The more I think about it if sigma comes out w/ a m43 csc.. I would be tempted to buy it, so long as it conforms to all the m43 association specs and they don't do something weird instead like use a 43 sensor size but do their own mount --> so I can use all my old m43 lenses I still have. I have been tempted to pick up the Olympus 12mm lens...

Otherwise, I think I will just hold the line for a while like Jon.

Gary
 
I have no interest in a MFT Foveon sensor. I want a bloody full frame Foveon sensor! The DP Merrill cameras are my favorite digital cameras. But I can't get on board with a tiny sensor. I just don't like wide-angle spatial rendering with a narrow angle of view. I need my 50.

APSC is okay. But can you imagine how amazing a full frame Foveon sensor would be?

I use my DP Merrills as street cameras, and while it can be a challenge, when it connects, it's a homerun.
 
Yes.. A ff frame csc would also be interesting... I would be ok w/ keeping it to 16mp and getting better high iso.

Gary
 
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