Slides - Are you shooting?

have a couple rolls of slide film in 120. seeing this thread makes me eager to throw it in my new 500c/m (which is waiting to be picked up from a CLA), but i'm scared about exposure, as slide film is notoriously picky about correct exposure... only 2 of my cameras have meters, and unfortunately one doesn't take any film (D700 haha).

that also reminds me i should take out my 30ish year old Gossen Super Pilot and compare how it reads to the D700. is a handheld incident meter good enough for getting decent exposures if you're smart about it? i've been shooting color negs and b&w for 2 years now, meterless pretty much for about a year...
 
have a couple rolls of slide film in 120. seeing this thread makes me eager to throw it in my new 500c/m (which is waiting to be picked up from a CLA), but i'm scared about exposure, as slide film is notoriously picky about correct exposure... only 2 of my cameras have meters, and unfortunately one doesn't take any film (D700 haha).

that also reminds me i should take out my 30ish year old Gossen Super Pilot and compare how it reads to the D700. is a handheld incident meter good enough for getting decent exposures if you're smart about it? i've been shooting color negs and b&w for 2 years now, meterless pretty much for about a year...

Personally, I think taking an incident light reading with an accurate hand held meter is both the best, and easiest, way to get good exposure for transparency film in most cases. Granted, there will always be instances where you cannot meter the same light as the subject, etc. and need to take a spot reading or broad area reflective reading. If so, meter for the highlights. However in most scenarios, taking an incident reading is the easiest way to ensure you don't overcook your highlights.

I use incident readings nearly all the time regardless of whether I am shooting B&W, colour neg or reversal films. It does require some interpretation for the first two, as they generally appreciate more light than slide, but, it works for me, and that is the bottom line. Whichever method works for you and gives you results you like is the best method of metering for you to use.

Comparing the Gossen to your SLR could be counter-productive to some extent. Your SLR will give you a reflective reading based on what it is pointed at. It's entirely possible (actually, likely) you will get different readings, in the same light, from each, even if they are both accurate.

The incident reading will be consistent and independent of the tonality nearby in most cases (there are some exceptions, of course, standing next to a white reflective surface could bias it--but generally it will not be affected).

The built in meter of the SLR will suggest an exposure that is of course affected by the ambient light but is based, critically, on how much of that light is reflected from the surfaces visible through the viewfinder. Point it at something dark and it will be biased to over expose; at something light (eg. snow) and it will want to under expose. You should only really expect to get comparable readings from the SLR and incident hand held, when you are pointing the SLR at a surface of average reflectance and tonality (the most obvious example of which is, of course, a grey card, but could be anything with average reflectance).

By way of example, I didn't have a hand held meter for the first couple of months after I got my Hasselblad, and metered transparency using a grey card and the "partial" function of my Canon EOS 35 mm SLR (effectively giving me an "incident" reading). Exposures were perfect to my eye. Once I acquired a hand held meter I no longer needed to lug a Canon around with me as a "meter", but I can't say accuracy of my exposures improved.

The best use for the D700 (in the context of exposing film, of course, there are a lot of good uses for one), may be as a de facto spot meter. Using the partial or spot function with a short telephoto, you will be able to take quite specific readings, in those instances you cannot be in the same light as your subject (Eg. that shade in the polar bear enclosure at the zoo, where approaching the subject for an incident reading is probably not a good option!).

6x6 frames of transparency from a Hasselblad can be breathtakingly good. Do a sunny 16 check of your Gossen in sunny midday light. If it reads f/16 @ 1/ISO, you should be good to go. You'll soon work out exactly how much over/under exposure you can get away with, and the dynamic range you can expect, but an incident meter will help you hit the ground running with decent results.
Cheers,
Brett
 
thanks Sarcophilus, that was a tremendously helpful write-up. I just got a roll of Provia 100F that I shot walking around the other day back. Holding in your hand and looking at the positives on a roll of MF slide film really is an experience unique in photography, I think. I got most of the exposures bang on (overcast day with constant light, guestimated 2-3 stops down from sunny 16), and used the FM2n I had with me as a quick rough estimate just to make sure I wasn't drastically off. I didn't blow out the highlights on anything, though a few frames are fairly underexposed (rather cold, but as slide film is so picky, I'd say I was really only off by a stop, maybe a stop and a half). Overall, quite pleased with them.
 
I love slides. I also don't understand why people shy away from it. I hope supply will last for many years. There is no competition to the way color is captured on a slide film.
 
I still shoot a lot with slide film. Primarely Astia and Kodak in the recent past, nowdays Provia 100F, Agfa Prestisa and Rollei RS 200, although Provia is unbeatable.
 
thanks Sarcophilus, that was a tremendously helpful write-up. I just got a roll of Provia 100F that I shot walking around the other day back. Holding in your hand and looking at the positives on a roll of MF slide film really is an experience unique in photography, I think. I got most of the exposures bang on (overcast day with constant light, guestimated 2-3 stops down from sunny 16), and used the FM2n I had with me as a quick rough estimate just to make sure I wasn't drastically off. I didn't blow out the highlights on anything, though a few frames are fairly underexposed (rather cold, but as slide film is so picky, I'd say I was really only off by a stop, maybe a stop and a half). Overall, quite pleased with them.
That's great news. I try not to be pessimistic about the future of film but I admit, transparency is the one I worry about. So get into it and enjoy it, there really isn't anything else like it, and you can make a strong case it's still the purest form of photography of all.

I should have mentioned previously, if the Gossen features a Cadmium Sulphide photo cell, be aware these are not as quick to respond to light as selenium or a modern silicon cell. Sometimes they can take a few seconds to stabilise.

As the dynamic range of transparency is fairly narrow, in general, (subject to the creative aspects of the scene, of course) it's a case of giving as much light as the highlights can handle without overexposing them. Most transparency films have a *small* tolerance for overexposure if you do need to eke out as much shadow detail as you can get in a shot, but it is not great. You would normally want to avoid giving the highlights any more than an extra half a stop at the most.

In days past many would routinely under expose films such as Velvia slightly to boost colour saturation. Some still advocate this. But it is important to note that your approach to exposing transparency also depends on how you plan to use them. If you shoot for projection (which is still the best way to appreciate the beauty of a transparency in my opinion) you can do this.

If scanning the processed film is the goal things become more complicated. Reversal films present the hardest challenge for any scanner. High end ones are up to it. More affordable ones can really struggle to extract good, clean shadow detail from a dense frame of reversal. So if you want to scan your films with a consumer scanner, underexposure is only slightly better than overexposure, because the more light the shadows have the easier it is for the scanner to "read" them.

I try to expose between the rated box speed and under a half a stop over, usually. In the context of a 500C/M you can set full stop shutter speeds and half stop lens openings. If my digital meter says I need 3/10 under f/8, for instance: instead of going a couple of tenths under, to the half stop, I'd normally give it the full f/8. This is because I scan with an Epson V700, not a bad scanner, but not up to extracting the shadow detail of the more expensive offerings.

Of course to a large extent this is format dependent. Few of us project medium format slides (although I would love to track down a Rollei P66 one day when the price is right, and do exactly that). But for 35mm, if you're content to enjoy your transparencies as mounted slides, disregard the above and aim for a straight "box speed" exposure while you're getting acquainted with reversals. An accurate incident meter will generally help you nail the highlights easily, when correctly used concerning: angle of presentation of the cell to the light, (not to be under-estimated); avoiding shading the meter with ones body; and so on.
Cheers,
Brett
 
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