JeremyLangford
I'd really Leica Leica
I think that I will probable go digital eventually. I think eventually digital sensors will match film in dynamic range and quality.
And when that happens, I hope to buy a small, quiet, full-frame dslr.
I definately won't ever buy a crop factor dslr.
And when that happens, I hope to buy a small, quiet, full-frame dslr.
I definately won't ever buy a crop factor dslr.
javimm
Established
I own a Canon XT (350D in Europe). Great little camera. I own the 70-300 IS, and the 10-22. Well, since I bought my M6 in June, I haven't shot with the Canon. I enjoy the Leica a lot more, and I like the process of film more than the computer post-processing. Anyway I plan to use digital for certain things.
If you think you're going to save going digital, you're completely wrong. Start changing your digi body every 2 years, upgrade you memory cards to hold the gazillion megapixel increase, upgrade your computer every 3-4 years, buy Photoshop and buy the upgrades every year, buy a printer and use it everyday to keep the injectors flowing and not getting dry, buy the very expensive inks (7 cartidges), buy expensive paper, a Lacie photographic monitor (big $$$ here), a colorimeter for profiling... with all that, I can buy tons of rolls of film every year and develop myself. The workflow of digital is tedious and for me, very unfulfilling.
Anyway, enjoy you decision.
If you think you're going to save going digital, you're completely wrong. Start changing your digi body every 2 years, upgrade you memory cards to hold the gazillion megapixel increase, upgrade your computer every 3-4 years, buy Photoshop and buy the upgrades every year, buy a printer and use it everyday to keep the injectors flowing and not getting dry, buy the very expensive inks (7 cartidges), buy expensive paper, a Lacie photographic monitor (big $$$ here), a colorimeter for profiling... with all that, I can buy tons of rolls of film every year and develop myself. The workflow of digital is tedious and for me, very unfulfilling.
Anyway, enjoy you decision.
raid
Dad Photographer
Amin said; Amen
Thardy
Veteran
bessasebastian said:
Been searching high and low for photos of a trip a took in 2005. I found many, many cds and dvds except the one I really want. Bits and bytes indeed.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
At least you're shooting with a prime. 
Seriously, I have been thinking about digital for awhile now. I am seeing more and more b&w from sensor that range from "I can live with that" to "Hmmm..." to "Wow". But I certainly would be sticking with primes. My weapons of choice would be, in descending preference:
1. M8 -- if I could afford it
2. RD-1(s) -- if I could feel confident it was a long term tool and I could acquire/afford a worthy successor
3. Olympus E-3 -- and use OM primes as well as one ZD wide-zoom (something like 11-22 or 7-14)
The 3rd option is the only likely one, I think. I might abandon film (at some point) for options 1 or 2, but not for #3. Even the E-510, which is much smaller than the E-3, is not a substitute for a well-balanced and fast-to-use RF.
Seriously, I have been thinking about digital for awhile now. I am seeing more and more b&w from sensor that range from "I can live with that" to "Hmmm..." to "Wow". But I certainly would be sticking with primes. My weapons of choice would be, in descending preference:
1. M8 -- if I could afford it
2. RD-1(s) -- if I could feel confident it was a long term tool and I could acquire/afford a worthy successor
3. Olympus E-3 -- and use OM primes as well as one ZD wide-zoom (something like 11-22 or 7-14)
The 3rd option is the only likely one, I think. I might abandon film (at some point) for options 1 or 2, but not for #3. Even the E-510, which is much smaller than the E-3, is not a substitute for a well-balanced and fast-to-use RF.
ywenz
Veteran
congrats! I'm a new 24/1.4 owner as well. on a 40D, it's a 35/1.4 lens. Kick ass combo.
from a bday party:
This photographer shoots primarily with the 24/1.4.. Wonderful work!
http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/
from a bday party:
This photographer shoots primarily with the 24/1.4.. Wonderful work!
http://jeshderoxweddings.blogspot.com/
RObert Budding
D'oh!
"The D40 is little better than a glorified p&s camera."
It's difficult to take such silly statements seriously. The D40 has an AP-S sized sensor, very good low light performance, and hardly any shutter lag. It is, of course, limited to AF-S lenses for AF, but that was a reasonable trade-off for the price point.
There aren't any p&s cameras that perform as well. Unless you failed to read the manual . . .
It's difficult to take such silly statements seriously. The D40 has an AP-S sized sensor, very good low light performance, and hardly any shutter lag. It is, of course, limited to AF-S lenses for AF, but that was a reasonable trade-off for the price point.
There aren't any p&s cameras that perform as well. Unless you failed to read the manual . . .
amateriat
We're all light!
Of course, if you kick the little so-and-so's hard enough, you can get interesting b/w results out of them...but I still prefer film.RObert Budding said:
Here's a few from the itty-bitty Casio EX-850, in b/w mode (no conversion):
But, at the end of the day, I load film.
- Barrett
Attachments
CuS
Established
Pick the right tool for the job
Pick the right tool for the job
First off, I love my 20D. With my 24-70 2.8L on it, it is a beautiful machine and lets me do some amazing color photogrtaphy (If you can, you should also try the Sigma 150mm 2.8 macro - wonderful machine that!).
For color photography, I can't see myself moving from the 20D
But, for B&W work, I prefer film (especially with Fuji Acros 100) - I am a sucker for suyper-contrasty images. For that, I will hopefully soon have a Besa R3M to accentuate my GSN.
My cameras are tools.
They are not all or nothing.
Altough I have as bad a case of GAS as any here, my preferences/bias are nothing more than opinion and are worth about as much as any of you paid for them.
Lets all stop pontificating and share some photographs.
Pick the right tool for the job
First off, I love my 20D. With my 24-70 2.8L on it, it is a beautiful machine and lets me do some amazing color photogrtaphy (If you can, you should also try the Sigma 150mm 2.8 macro - wonderful machine that!).
For color photography, I can't see myself moving from the 20D
But, for B&W work, I prefer film (especially with Fuji Acros 100) - I am a sucker for suyper-contrasty images. For that, I will hopefully soon have a Besa R3M to accentuate my GSN.
My cameras are tools.
They are not all or nothing.
Altough I have as bad a case of GAS as any here, my preferences/bias are nothing more than opinion and are worth about as much as any of you paid for them.
Lets all stop pontificating and share some photographs.
mike goldberg
The Peaceful Pacific
I have an excellent, small and light in weight Nikon D40... with it's highly rated 18-55 kit lens. For my rounds around town, the Canon SD800 IS with it's excellent 28-105 equivalent goes into a belt pouch.
I know that reasonable B/W conversions can be done in the camera and in editing. Yet I feel a different energy with an RF camera and B/W film. On flickr, I met a Dutch scientist named Robert Vonk who has an analog photography supply business. Here's a photo from the site's gallery:
http://gallery.fotohuisrovo.nl/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=0
Now, I KNOW this can be done in digital. The issue at hand is, how do I feel about it? Below is a favorite 1972 photo, done shortly after we arrived in Israel. The shoemaker, or "sandlar" in local slang was fixing my son's sandal. Note his workbench is a board on his knees in his tiny shop.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=36223&ppuser=5480
Cheers, Mike
I know that reasonable B/W conversions can be done in the camera and in editing. Yet I feel a different energy with an RF camera and B/W film. On flickr, I met a Dutch scientist named Robert Vonk who has an analog photography supply business. Here's a photo from the site's gallery:
http://gallery.fotohuisrovo.nl/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=0
Now, I KNOW this can be done in digital. The issue at hand is, how do I feel about it? Below is a favorite 1972 photo, done shortly after we arrived in Israel. The shoemaker, or "sandlar" in local slang was fixing my son's sandal. Note his workbench is a board on his knees in his tiny shop.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=36223&ppuser=5480
Cheers, Mike
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SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I do have an issue with LR. He claims he's seen several posts talking about abandoning digital and returning to film. To me, this is remarkable, atypical and infrequent. Besides, these posts are made in a film community. Now, LR kinda boasts of having done the opposite "just to show an opposite view."
I don't think it's tactful. It reeks of troll to me. If I went to the DSLR forum and claimed that I have seen the light, sold all my digital gear and bought a film camera... what reception could I expect? Not one as nice as in this forum, certainly.
But heck, you want to brag... you open yourself to posts like mine.
And BTW, I'm not a rabid film fan, but to me, these choices are personal, done for personal reasons and for a personal goal. In fact, I just purchased a digital camera (used, Lumix with Leica zoom that goes from 35 to 420mm). Am I ecstatic? No, but I won't go into further detail about it.
In any case, congratulations on your purchase and I hope you enjoy it a lot.
I don't think it's tactful. It reeks of troll to me. If I went to the DSLR forum and claimed that I have seen the light, sold all my digital gear and bought a film camera... what reception could I expect? Not one as nice as in this forum, certainly.
But heck, you want to brag... you open yourself to posts like mine.
And BTW, I'm not a rabid film fan, but to me, these choices are personal, done for personal reasons and for a personal goal. In fact, I just purchased a digital camera (used, Lumix with Leica zoom that goes from 35 to 420mm). Am I ecstatic? No, but I won't go into further detail about it.
In any case, congratulations on your purchase and I hope you enjoy it a lot.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
One more comment... before I leave this thread.
I would be surprised if there is a member of RFF who doesn't have some form of digital camera, a P/S a phone camera, something for the family shots to send by email to relatives...
IMHO this isn't a forum of "digital haters" it's a forum of people who want to talk about rangefinders. So when discussions of SLR's or digitals come up they are usually given a brief once over. We know where to go to discuss SLR's and digital but at RFF we have a focus which is what brings us here.
Don't confuse the nature of RFF for disdain, it's more like a poker party where some people keep trying to bring up bridge... not much interest and maybe even a grouchy reply.
So stick around and discuss film or your Mamiya 7, then go to DSLR or another site to discuss your specific new interests. You will be welcome in both forums I'm sure.
I would be surprised if there is a member of RFF who doesn't have some form of digital camera, a P/S a phone camera, something for the family shots to send by email to relatives...
IMHO this isn't a forum of "digital haters" it's a forum of people who want to talk about rangefinders. So when discussions of SLR's or digitals come up they are usually given a brief once over. We know where to go to discuss SLR's and digital but at RFF we have a focus which is what brings us here.
Don't confuse the nature of RFF for disdain, it's more like a poker party where some people keep trying to bring up bridge... not much interest and maybe even a grouchy reply.
So stick around and discuss film or your Mamiya 7, then go to DSLR or another site to discuss your specific new interests. You will be welcome in both forums I'm sure.
peterm1
Veteran
As sad as it is, I think the time may come when I will sell my rangefinder kit. As much as I enjoy using it, I hate having to have films developed and printed before I see what I have got. In short digital is just so damn convenient. As a result, I am using digital more and more, and rangefinders less and less. I still keep the rangefinders to take out and stroke by the fireside but when I want to shoot now, its probably 4:1 against them. Such is life.
ywenz
Veteran
solares, jan: until the Evil SLR group goes away, threads like this are fair game.
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
jan normandale said:
Unfortunately, Jan, this isn't the case anymore. This forum ceased to be a "dedicated" RF forum a long time ago—probably around the time that Jorge started taking membership fees and opened the gallery to SLRs/DSLRs and digital. Take note, this is posted in the "Evil SLR" forum. About all you can say now is that this place has heavy bias toward RFs. In the past we used to chase away DSLR and SLR posts in both the forum and the Gallery, but you can't really do that now.
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dannynono
Survey sez....
I went the route of LR a couple years back (or maybe he's following me?), Selling an M4-P kit to fund a 20d Kit. It was a good move for me at the time, primarily due to the ease of shooting digitally. I took the 20D to Belize last year with a couple 2Gb and the Storage device and shot nearly 10Gb a raw files over the 2 week stay.
Times change though. I've still got the 20D, but this past spring with the birth of my new baby girl impending the urge to have archival negs along with shooting in a more candid style (which for me means RF and TLR) brought me back to film. Picked up a sweet M6 along with a DR 50 summicron and shoot both cameras constantly. I tend to shoot the M6 first (or the C220) and then use the 20D to augment the film or to simply show my wife what I'm trying to capture. The best of both worlds.
However, when I can afford the M8 (or convince my wife that we can afford it or it's replacement) the 20d's days might be numbered, since I rarely shoot with longer lenses.
Times change though. I've still got the 20D, but this past spring with the birth of my new baby girl impending the urge to have archival negs along with shooting in a more candid style (which for me means RF and TLR) brought me back to film. Picked up a sweet M6 along with a DR 50 summicron and shoot both cameras constantly. I tend to shoot the M6 first (or the C220) and then use the 20D to augment the film or to simply show my wife what I'm trying to capture. The best of both worlds.
However, when I can afford the M8 (or convince my wife that we can afford it or it's replacement) the 20d's days might be numbered, since I rarely shoot with longer lenses.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I am grouchy tonight.
The moniker of "Evil SLR" strikes me as childish.
That's my opinion only, it's not true or important. Keep the dialog going. I'm going to bed after souping up some rolls of Fuji I shot a while ago.
The moniker of "Evil SLR" strikes me as childish.
That's my opinion only, it's not true or important. Keep the dialog going. I'm going to bed after souping up some rolls of Fuji I shot a while ago.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
Ray, Ywenz... yer right... so I'll roll over. Just rename this place.
ciao!
ciao!
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ywenz
Veteran
RF and P&S digital cameras will merge as one in the not to distant future. The day that display technology improves to the point where they can fit a tiny ultra high-res screen into a viewfinder will be the death of the RF camera. Of course, this high-res screen will have to rival the image looking thru an optical RF finder.
The screen will show live image from the sensor and there will not be any black outs like today's P&S...
The screen will show live image from the sensor and there will not be any black outs like today's P&S...
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
jan normandale said:
it's still the best (only) place for RF talk, gear and photos.
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