Sailor Ted
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Some great shots on the M8 from a Leica photographer- Cheers!
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=m8&w=53207432@N00
And here's one more M8 jock up to the task!
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=32121828@N00&q=m8&m=tags
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=m8&w=53207432@N00
And here's one more M8 jock up to the task!
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=32121828@N00&q=m8&m=tags
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iml
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There's some good stuff in the second link. But I don't suppose anyone doubts a good photographer can take good pictures with an M8, or any other camera for that matter.
Ian
Ian
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Nachkebia
Well-known
Good photographer can take good pictures with mobile phone...
TJV
Well-known
I'm really over the mobile phone analogy... :bang:
Dale Cook
Established
The second photographer has some truly amazing work in the group. Very inspiring.
Sailor Ted
Well-known
OK guys I agree 100% “it’s not the arrow it’s the Indian” however... for some of you it seems Leica is in a lose lose situation with the M8. I mean when bad photos get posted some jump on it as vindication that its a crap camera. When world class photos get posted it's dismissed as "just a great photographer". What about the attributes of the photos taken by the "great photographer?” Are they easily matched when that "great photographer" uses a different camera? And is that camera as compact as a Leica M8 or does it have the same interface?
The cameras issues are getting sorted out but look at what the M8 can do right now. This is a world class digital camera that even film lovers have to admit it's prints look stunning. As for the cellular phone camera thingy, I've seen great shots myself from that medium however none of them looked anything like these shots- they were great shots of a different nature while these M8 shots are world class images with qualities very few cameras can match, regardless of format.
The cameras issues are getting sorted out but look at what the M8 can do right now. This is a world class digital camera that even film lovers have to admit it's prints look stunning. As for the cellular phone camera thingy, I've seen great shots myself from that medium however none of them looked anything like these shots- they were great shots of a different nature while these M8 shots are world class images with qualities very few cameras can match, regardless of format.
kevin m
Veteran
Ted, thanks for posting. The second group of linked pics shot with the Noctilux are a better indication of what the camera's capable of than most of what I've seen on the web from the M8 so far.
iml
Well-known
Sailor Ted said:
I think the second link has some very good photographs. I don't think even the best of these photographs warrants this comment, however.
Why some people persist in wanting to make huge claims for the uniquely wonderful image quality of this camera is beyond me. Sure, it can be used to take very good pictures. Why not just leave it at that? Why all this hyperbole about it being the best digital imaging tool in the universe? Makes no sense to me.
Ian
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Your lucky numbers are 8, 10, 15 and 67.Nachkebia said:
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Finally! Some good photos are starting to come through with the M8. Some people think that the camera magically gives you "the power"; unfortunately, when only bad pictures by a camera are found, the same people think it's, immediately, the camera's fault.Sailor Ted said:
I'll peruse leisurely this evening. Thanks, Ted!
KJB
Member
iml said:
This type of statement is typical of someone that wants to judge a camera by reading forums instead of actually using/owning one. Try picking one up some time, using it, and observing its output firsthand. So what is a world class digital camera? Outside of MF I think its safe to say that the M8 is truly in a class of its own.
On Topic: The second links photos are what pushed me over the edge on making that Noctilux purchase and I have no regrets having used it firsthand with the M8
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fgianni
Trainee Amateur
It is difficult to judge the quality of a camera from such small pictures, I am sure an R-D1 with the same lens would have looked just as good.
Of course if the print/picture size increases then I am sure the M8 is capable of more definition than the R-D1.
Of course if the print/picture size increases then I am sure the M8 is capable of more definition than the R-D1.
iml
Well-known
Give me a break. I'm not the one making any claims at all about the image quality of the M8, either positive or negative. I've said that Ted has linked to some very good photographs, and he has, but he hasn't linked to anything supporting the notion that the M8 is capable of uniquely great images (in Ted's words, "world class images with qualities very few cameras can match"), and it's impossible to tell from some jpgs on flickr how the M8 compares to MF, let alone to any other 35mm camera, film or digital. That's all I'm saying, and I'm right.KJB said:
Some people seem to enjoy getting carried away with hyperbole.
Ian
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ywenz
Veteran
KJB said:
If I ignored the information in the M8 forums, I would not have been aware of all the problems with the camera and if I had purchased one at that time, I would have been out 5K with a camera that is constantly in the shop. I might pick one up in the future, once they get all the problems sorted out. I thank the early adopters for taking the first dip and the forums for dishing out the information to me. I love equipment reviews!
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kbg32
neo-romanticist
With the right examples, you can prove this camera is crap, or a godsend. Lets agree to leave it alone.
Sailor Ted
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iml said:
Ian,
Firstly you’re taking what I said out of context when you quote me. I was making reference to the fact that, regardless of format (like cell phone cameras) the Leica is capable of world-class photos- this is certainly true. See the second link. Furthermore the M8 can mount Leica glass including the Noctilux and from what I see in those linked photos the Noctilux’s strengths transfer to the digital medium with the same impact as if they were shot on film- again a fact. And since no other world class digital camera can mount Leica glass, THE M8 IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING IMAGES FEW OTHER DIGITAL CAMERA CAN MATCH REGARDLESS OF FORMAT DUE TO THE UNIQUE QUALITIES OF LEICA GLASS AND THE M8 CAMERA IT'S SELF- A FACT.
And before anyone chimes in stating the R-D1 can mount Leica glass keep a couple of things in mind- the R-D1 is not in the same ball park as the M8 with much softer images and flare created by a thick IR filter in front of the sensor. The M8 does not have filter/sensor flare like the R-D1 (different problems with Leica’s thin filter in front of the sensor but solvable whereas the R-D1’s sensor/flare issues are NOT).
As to hyperbole the only “hyperbole” I seem to read comes from people with a hard on for the M8 in a NEGITIVE sense- your post taking issue with my thread and comments prove this- where are your condemnations of countless threads/ posts whose "hyperbole" defile the M8?
Ted
My full quote:
“OK guys I agree 100% “it’s not the arrow it’s the Indian” however... for some of you it seems Leica is in a lose lose situation with the M8. I mean when bad photos get posted some jump on it as vindication that its a crap camera. When world class photos get posted it's dismissed as "just a great photographer". What about the attributes of the photos taken by the "great photographer?” Are they easily matched when that "great photographer" uses a different camera? And is that camera as compact as a Leica M8 or does it have the same interface?
The cameras issues are getting sorted out but look at what the M8 can do right now. This is a world class digital camera that even film lovers have to admit it's prints look stunning. As for the cellular phone camera thingy, I've seen great shots myself from that medium however none of them looked anything like these shots- they were great shots of a different nature while these M8 shots are world class images with qualities very few cameras can match, regardless of format.”
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Sailor Ted
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fgianni said:
Well I'm 1000% positive that at comparable resolution (6MP to 6MP) let alone the M8's much higher native resolution of 10MP would the R-D1 be anywhere close to the M8 in terms of image sharpness or dynamic range of color. R-D1 images are in my experience somewhat soft- this was equally true with the Nikon D-70 whose sensor the R-D1 and R-D1s share. Really this is so obvious (no anti alias filter on the M8 and the soft to begin with technology on the D70's sensor and electronics). Add to this the ridiculously short base length of the R-D1's range finder and the problems this creates when focusing any lens over 35mm and the R-D1 falls even further behind.
Now let's discuss the inherent issue of the thick filter placed in front of the R-D1's digital sensor and the image flare this produces in lighting conditions of high dynamic contrast (back lit and point source lighting). See examples below all shot on an Epson R-D1s- a camera I love to shoot with.
In the first image see the fringing that takes place near the top of the bridge. In the second and third photos see the flare and ghosting that occur around light bulbs. Now in the fourth image despite the subject being 100% in focus (shot 2 days ago in San Francisco's China Town : ) its nowhere near as sharp as some of the images we're starting to see from the Leica M8.
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Sailor Ted
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ywenz said:
Really? Constantly? This I believe is a prime example of negative hyperbole. Now had you been referring to the Epson R-D1 I would have been inclined to agree with you : )