Ben Z
Veteran
Jaap, do you have (or can you take) some shots with 24 and 21 with the IR filter so I can see the cyan corner thing? I'd like to mess around with it to see how easy/hard it is to correct it.
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Robert
Guest
I don't know, I used to think I would get an M8 and live happily ever after but seeing some images and filter problems and dust on the sensor I wonder would I be wise in spending 3000 pounds on one.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Ben Z said:
Ben, my M8 goes off to Solms for its update.I'll post some24nmm shots then, but the ones I have now with firmware 1.06 don't show any significant vignetting. The crux will be the 21 with the new firmware.But I need my 46 mm IRcut filter first.
Athena
Well-known
jaapv,
Reading this thread, particularly your responses, makes it clear you are satisfied with your decision to purchase a M8.
That's great! So why continue feeding the discussion thread?
In all honesty, you know your decision is irrevocable.
At the same time, in all honesty, I think the M8 + Leitz lens images you've shown are nice but unspectacular, and not significantly better than could be obtained by a high-end digital P&S at a tenth or less of the combined camera body/lens price.
I certainly do not think they are inarguably better than the "comparable" film shots.
The "comparison images" you've posted here of digi vs. film are irrelevant. Conditions vary. After all, they were taken 10 months apart - not side-by-side. Everything else being equal (e.g. clearness/humidity/cloud cover etc.), on any given day at the same time, aren't sunlight angles different in February than Decmeber at the latitude you took the photos? Did you "control" for light angle and intensity factors etc.?).
Also, viewer's monitors vary and scans of film images depend on which scanner you used. Then too, the original scan imaging level (RAW/TIFF/JPEG) and the consequent conversion down to JPEG with resizing to "fit" the website upload parameters are additional variables that will "affect" the images.
And all that assumes you didn't do any PS manipulation afterward. Right? :angel:
Oh, and let's not forget that the M8 requires "filter fixes" to get to the images you've posted.
Enjoy your camera - it's nice - I'm sure you love it. But, frankly, from what you've shown here, it is NOT the "be all and end all" of the photographic art!
Reading this thread, particularly your responses, makes it clear you are satisfied with your decision to purchase a M8.
That's great! So why continue feeding the discussion thread?
In all honesty, you know your decision is irrevocable.
At the same time, in all honesty, I think the M8 + Leitz lens images you've shown are nice but unspectacular, and not significantly better than could be obtained by a high-end digital P&S at a tenth or less of the combined camera body/lens price.
I certainly do not think they are inarguably better than the "comparable" film shots.
The "comparison images" you've posted here of digi vs. film are irrelevant. Conditions vary. After all, they were taken 10 months apart - not side-by-side. Everything else being equal (e.g. clearness/humidity/cloud cover etc.), on any given day at the same time, aren't sunlight angles different in February than Decmeber at the latitude you took the photos? Did you "control" for light angle and intensity factors etc.?).
Also, viewer's monitors vary and scans of film images depend on which scanner you used. Then too, the original scan imaging level (RAW/TIFF/JPEG) and the consequent conversion down to JPEG with resizing to "fit" the website upload parameters are additional variables that will "affect" the images.
And all that assumes you didn't do any PS manipulation afterward. Right? :angel:
Oh, and let's not forget that the M8 requires "filter fixes" to get to the images you've posted.
Enjoy your camera - it's nice - I'm sure you love it. But, frankly, from what you've shown here, it is NOT the "be all and end all" of the photographic art!
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Athena said:
Thanks for your good wishes, but I do think you have gotten hold of entirely the wrong end ofbthe stick here.
I am, since 50 years a RF shooter and only use SLR's when I have to - and reluctantly.
With the Canonn10D I found that digital capture works better for me thanfilm.
So do I have any option here? And I am happy with the results. But nobody here is foolish enough to think one can compare film to didgital in terms of "better" or "the be all and end all" or something that ridiculous. What we are doing here is looknig at different shots at different times of the year, with different light and yes, different capture media. On a monitor too. Had I really wanted to do comparison shots I would have taken a tripod, another subject and compared prints. Which I did not and wont. This thread is for light amusement.You, with due respect, take it far too seriously.
Ben Z
Veteran
jaapv said:
Wait, so you are using an IR filter on the 24mm, no firmware correction, and not seeing any cyan corners? That's weird because others say it's pronounced. BTW what kind of 21mm do you have that will take a 46mm filter??
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I haven't yet on the images I took; but there are not whitish surfaces near the corners there. I have the ZI Biogon
HAnkg
Well-known
I have been using Canon 1Ds elusively for the last couple of years. It gets the job done but I have never warmed up to the Canon system. The exception being the 135/2 which is a match to any lens I've used on any system 135, medium or large format. I am trying to figure out now how I might cost justify a move to the M8 (as my clients are happy with what they are now getting). I would love to get back to RF + leica.
The compromise of using the IR filters? They don't weigh anything, they don't have any filter factor, I'd bet in a side by side test on a tripod set in concrete you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in the resolution of a lens with or without the filter. All in all for me less of a compromise then having to shoot with a Canon DSLR, which is a compromise I've made for the last few years in order to be able to shoot digitally. Every camera platform I have used involved all kinds of compromises, you pick the system where the advantages outweigh the minuses for your particular situation. There is no best system or even better system, there is only the system that enables you to produce the work you want be it a Holga or an 8x10 view camera.
The compromise of using the IR filters? They don't weigh anything, they don't have any filter factor, I'd bet in a side by side test on a tripod set in concrete you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in the resolution of a lens with or without the filter. All in all for me less of a compromise then having to shoot with a Canon DSLR, which is a compromise I've made for the last few years in order to be able to shoot digitally. Every camera platform I have used involved all kinds of compromises, you pick the system where the advantages outweigh the minuses for your particular situation. There is no best system or even better system, there is only the system that enables you to produce the work you want be it a Holga or an 8x10 view camera.
pmu
Well-known
Ascender
Established
M8 Bashing!
M8 Bashing!
I'm wondering if you're really going to expect anyone to take you seriously after what can only be described as an assnine comparison?
I'm so tired of all these 'M8 buyers remorse stricken complainers'. It's quite simple, if you don't like the camera and you really think it's that God aweful then I will put you in touch with at least 20 people that I know personally who will buy it from you sight unseen at your original cost (providing there are no scratches or niks). There are back orders like you wouldn't believe at Samy's LA. B&H doesn't even know when they will next get the camera. Stop bitching and take some damn pictures will you.
-charlie
M8 Bashing!
jaapv said:Same place,same lens (Tri-Elmar) This morning, M8
Last Februari, Fuji Sensia
Admitted, the trees have some more detail on the original slide. But not even close to the M8. And I had to use a polfilter for the film to avoid a pale sky. And I oversharpened the film shot.
I'm wondering if you're really going to expect anyone to take you seriously after what can only be described as an assnine comparison?
I'm so tired of all these 'M8 buyers remorse stricken complainers'. It's quite simple, if you don't like the camera and you really think it's that God aweful then I will put you in touch with at least 20 people that I know personally who will buy it from you sight unseen at your original cost (providing there are no scratches or niks). There are back orders like you wouldn't believe at Samy's LA. B&H doesn't even know when they will next get the camera. Stop bitching and take some damn pictures will you.
-charlie
FrankS
Registered User
How to win friends and influence people?
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Nick R.
Guest
jaapv said:
Ascender said:
Why must horseplay always turn to tears?
aad
Not so new now.
I think that's what happens when one replies after reading the first post in a long thread, without reading the rest of it.
Ascender
Established
No, you are both incorrect! That's what happens when people waste time pixel peeping, critiquing and making irrelevant, time wasting not to mention unintelligent comparisons instead of being realistic. As for horseplay turning to tears, what's the point of having a discussion forum if people cannot speak their mind? I don't mince words, I say what I believe. Anyone who doesn't like their cameras can sell them to a long list of would-be buyers. I've nothing against people submitting their findings regarding the M8 or any other camera for that matter. What I find ridiculous is the bitching about wishing they'd never bought it in the first place! People need to get a grip on reality and look at what has been acheived by Leica. They have portalled a 57 yr old camera over to to digital!!! PEEEEERSPEEEEEECTIIIIIIVE!!!.
-charlie
-charlie
FrankS
Registered User
Still doesn't get it.
FrankS
Registered User
A couple of things, Charlie: First, don't take things too seriously. This is for entertainment purposes. Secondly, the tone here at RFF is somewhat mellower than on some other photo forums, and we like it that way.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
FrankS said:
Well put Frank ... you seem a little angsty Charlie. When I see people getting stroppy on this forum I get edgy and reminded of why I stay away from some of the other sites where this type of behaviour seems par for the course!
Check the current level of posting on the p.net Leica/rangefinder Forum mate and you will see a graphic demonstration of where this can lead!
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Nick R.
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Ascender said:
Please see this thread:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32854
FrankS
Registered User
Bottom line is that this forum is for open discussion
Agreed, but that doesn't mean it has to be nasty and disrespectful.
One only has to look at the number of posts that some of our members put out there to realize that some of us are clicking away at the computer keyboard instead of with our cameras
So let's just close RFF down completely so we aren't distracted from taking photos 24/7. I developed 3 rolls of 120, printed about 15 8x10 and 5x7's silver gelatin prints, and shot 1/2 roll of 135 APX100 today.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean it has to be nasty and disrespectful.
One only has to look at the number of posts that some of our members put out there to realize that some of us are clicking away at the computer keyboard instead of with our cameras
So let's just close RFF down completely so we aren't distracted from taking photos 24/7. I developed 3 rolls of 120, printed about 15 8x10 and 5x7's silver gelatin prints, and shot 1/2 roll of 135 APX100 today.
Ascender
Established
I don't need to visit other forums to get a lesson in where speaking ones mind can lead. As for still not getting it....getting what? I vist this forum/thread to read some constructive views on a camera that I love so well, to hear other peoples experiences with said camera and to share my own somewhat prosumer experiences. I don't subscribe here to read a bunch of pecimistic nonsense usually written buy people who don't even have the camera. For those of you who do have the camera you should damn well consider yourselves lucky. My point is that Leica has made a camera that has allowed us M lens owners the freedom and latitude unlike ever before by continuing a 57 year old legacy. They have allowed us to be engaged by the process, by what we all fell in love with it for in the first place. They have allowed us to continue our PHOTOGRAPHY in this all too dynamic digital age. So when I read a bunch of negative, wishy-washy nonsense about regretting purchasing the camera and I repeat, without doubt the most assnine comparison I've ever had the misfortune of seeing...yes! it does make me a angstsy. On the contrary I think that it is the critics on this forum that take the whole thing way too seriously, not I. I mean come on man, does anyone out there realize with all of it's quirks and faults what this incredible M8 can do? There are things possible with that camera that we could only have dreamt about when using our M6's/7's or whatever and now we are here, using our M lenses in the digital world and continuing the Leica legacy. You all should lighten up and stop comparing and stop reading and just go out and shoot the damn thing. I am a musician and one thing you quickly learn in my line of work is that there are two types of people, one's who write about it and one's who go out and do it! Needless to say which group I belong in. Leica have gone out ad done it with a brilliant version one answer to all of our dreams. I'm officially done, that's it, that's all I've got on this thread.
Peace,
-charlie
Peace,
-charlie