Sony A7r or Nikon DF, disregard cost.

Sony A7r or Nikon DF, disregard cost.

  • Sony A7R

    Votes: 133 70.0%

  • Nikon DF

    Votes: 58 30.5%
  • Total voters
    190
  • Poll closed .
I am not sure if any of them really gets my favor.

Even if my FM2 is a really nice camera, when I have to pick one, I mostly go for my F90x with its grip. Nicer to handle and more efficient. If I had to choose a Nikon camera I would go for the D600.

The A7/A7R would be my choice. I Could handle it las friday at Paris Photo fair and it felt nice, a real evolution from the Nex series. Much sturdier. Even the quite loud shutter sound inspired confidence.
Though If I pick an A7 it's mostly for its ability to use RF glass. And it seems the first results are not that good according to this test:
http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=224

I did put my Canon 35 1.5 on the camera during the fair but couldn't really conclude anything in that busy environment.
Though I am a bit dubious as the M or M9 should behave such as bad as the Sony if above test was to be trusted. Which is not that much the case ..
 
I like the new nikon, but i think tehy missed the oportunity to deliver a small package camera.
It´s full of quirks and buttons with god nows what purpose...

I don´t think the sony is a beaut, but it´s trully smaller than the nikon.

The price tag of the 24mp version is really tempting and with taht EVF i think manual focus is easy...so all my M glass won´t be lost.

The nikon also means spending in retroficus glass wich i donñt have...
 
Monochrom said:
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The price tag of the 24mp version is really tempting and with taht EVF i think manual focus is easy...so all my M glass won´t be lost.

The nikon also means spending in retroficus glass wich i donñt have...
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I'll venture to say any SLR lens shorter than 60mm is already retrofocus in design by necessity of having to clear the mirror. So you're probably all set in that regard.

I appreciate Sony making the A7... Not so sure I'd like using an EVF but I wouldn't mind finding out. :)

The Nikon Df looks very nice and traditional in styling, and I'll guess it's pretty familiar in use. I've never had a Nikon SLR, just Pentaxes, so I'm not tempted by the Df. For that matter the stream of new Pentaxes doesn't attract either, as I'm occupied with the Leicas....
 
I like the A7R specs but does anyone else find Sony's continued use of the MemoryStick crap to be annoying? Antiquated and expensive as all hell compared to SD cards.
 
Godfrey said:
By sheer chance, the Sony rep was at the store today when I stopped in to buy "yet-another-G**D**-bag" ... I'll spare you my disgust with having to purchase another camera bag.

Sorry if I use the E-M1 as a basis of comparison ...

The Sony guy was there with the A7 (and I think the A7r but I didn't bother to hunt that one up after I played with the A7). It's small, it's light. The viewfinder is good (not quite as good as the E-M1, but quite good). The controls are, um, a bit simplistic and clumsy compared to the E-M1. The menus are Sony stuff, which is quite different from Oly stuff. With a 35mm lens on it, it handles ok. The A7 build feels good, not quite the superb tank like feel of the E-M1 but good enough ... I understand the A7r feels better and is more robustly built. The shutter is pretty loud (not quite an Nikon FM2 but close), the responsiveness is good if not up to the Oly standard. The body worked all right with the slightly larger zoom lens on it but I'd want a grip with it for larger, heavier lenses. No image stabilization in the body .. you get used to having that quickly and it is missed when gone.

Of course, I didn't have a Leica-R to Sony E mount adapter to try out my Summilux-R 50 on it, but my feeling is that one of these bodies with a Novoflex adapter would make a good replacement for a Leica R body, keeping the original format. I'd want the grip for anything longer than the 90mm for sure.

Overall, I'd say that aside from all the hubbub and stuff in the equipment forums, the A7 and A7r seem like a decent pair of cameras and a nice opportunity for those of us with high quality, orphaned SLR lenses.

Yet Another Fine Camera to consider if you have the money, time, and attention span. ;-)

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I tried the A7 and the em-1 at photoplus expo. My personal opinion is that the em-1 ergonomics and handling were miles ahead of the sony (or any other mirrorless for that matter). Olympus really got it right with that camera. The A7 felt cheap and only slightly better than the NEX series cameras.
 
stompyq said:
I tried the A7 and the em-1 at photoplus expo. My personal opinion is that the em-1 ergonomics and handling were miles ahead of the sony (or any other mirrorless for that matter). Olympus really got it right with that camera. The A7 felt cheap and only slightly better than the NEX series cameras.
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I agree Pramodh. The only thing I don't like about the E-M1 is the m4/3 sensor.
 
stompyq said:
Yeah same here. It's a pity olympus insists on sticking with m4/3. They make some really good cameras
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This is the number 1 reason I am no longer a big fan of Olympus.
A company who insists in sabotaging themselves over and over again.

I mean, wake up already.
People still want full-frame, and there is no reason for them to suddenly abandon 4/3rd sensor, just keep up with the others and produce *one* fixed length full-frame for starters, and see if it makes sense profit-wise.

I want an Olympus designed X100 with a full-frame sensor, basically :)
 
The advantage of m4/3 was weight. Sony has shown that a large sensor can be put in a small body. Kudos to Sony. Only the lower price will keep the m4/3rds format in the game.
 
The Sony A7r with native 35 is in a class by itself at the moment.

Don't take my word for it.

Go to flick and search "A7r" then change sort to "recent"

OK I'll amend my statement to exclude the RX1, which is even better at 35, albeit with less rez.
 
DF wins hands down for me because 'as a system', it would be reliable and capable for many genres from macro to sports. Sony has shown it is capable of a technological breakthrough, but in this case, the tried and tested still wins it for me.
 
benji77 said:
DF wins hands down for me because 'as a system', it would be reliable and capable for many genres from macro to sports. Sony has shown it is capable of a technological breakthrough, but in this case, the tried and tested still wins it for me.
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Simply add a LA-EA4 to your A7(r) and you've got your system capable of macro and sports, with the added bonus of using every other lens in you inventory. :eek:
 
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