nrb
Nuno Borges
Just buy a little dslr and a 2/28 lens and you're on. It's small, light, takes loads of high quality pictures, spares you the time and expense of lab processing. It is effective and efficient, and the rest is up to you.
I just set aside my CV 35 Nokton, Elan 7ne and Canon VT and I think I may list them for sale to finance a DSLR. Gotta sell if I want to buy....
ampguy
Veteran
still too high for me
still too high for me
and the 6mp are fine, 10mp is too much noise. First Pentax DSLR to hit sub $300 will possibly be my next rear lens cap for my K mount 35/1.9.
still too high for me
and the 6mp are fine, 10mp is too much noise. First Pentax DSLR to hit sub $300 will possibly be my next rear lens cap for my K mount 35/1.9.
Solinar said:
anandi
Gotta catch the light.
Solinar said:
Andrew, don't rub it in
I'm in Canada where there is no rebate. That 100 makes a lot of difference to me, but I'm hoping by January Pentax Canada will follow suit. There is just no reason for any price differential between Canada and the US... Nuno, Totally agree that a relatively fast 28 on a DSLR is the way to go. I have been spending at least $50 a month on processing alone. Throw in film costs and scanning time (then touch up if I care about the shot) and well, I'm moving away from colour film. Delta 3200 is still untouchable though...
Cheers,
-Amit
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tedwhite
Guest
Amit:
With my Pentax DSLR I have turned quite a number of color images into b/w images with fairly good results It think it can be done in camera, but I'v always done it in photoshop.
Also, you can set the ISO up to at least 1600 and noise is not bad at all. At ISO 800 and slower I can't see any noise at all.
Ted
With my Pentax DSLR I have turned quite a number of color images into b/w images with fairly good results It think it can be done in camera, but I'v always done it in photoshop.
Also, you can set the ISO up to at least 1600 and noise is not bad at all. At ISO 800 and slower I can't see any noise at all.
Ted
photogdave
Shops local
anandi said:Andrew, don't rub it in
I'm afraid I have to completely disagree with you on this. There are plenty of reasons why there should be a price differential:
Canada is a much smaller market than the U.S. The entire photographic market for Canada is the same as just the state of California. I've even been told that B&H alone does more sales than all Canadian retailers combined! This mean that U.S. suppliers (Pentax USA) get a higher volume discount than Canadian suppliers (Pentax Canada).
Pentax Canada buys their product from Japan based on the volume it can move in its market and how the Canadian dollar is doing against the Yen. The U.S. dollar does not come into the equation.
Canada is a different country than the U.S. Our importers have different import taxes, duties, tariffs etc. to deal with. It is also more expensive to ship these products between their landing point to the distributers' warehouses, and then to the retailers.
All this adds up to a higher per unit cost for Canada than the U.S. There is no reason that Canadian suppliers and retailers should be losing money to match U.S. pricing. With a mere $100 difference (after a rebate which not everyone receives in the end) the price is so close it's not worth moaning about, especially considering that if you buy in Canada you get full warrantee coverage, local dealer support and the satisfaction of supporting your own economy and local retailer!
This is not meant to be critical of you or anyone else, I'm just concerned that not everyone (including our own brain-dead Finance Minister) are aware of all the facts when they discuss price differences between Canada and the USA.
nrb
Nuno Borges
Now I develop my remaining colour film in hc-110 to get b&w negatives, and use my dslr to get colour images. I haven't given up b&w film though. It's fun to develop and process and gives me what I don't find in digital.anandi said:
Cheers,
nuno
ampguy
Veteran
K100D Super at amzn body only is down to $475 - 100 rebate = $375.
I've used the 18-55 kit lens, and I doubt many would use it, slow, and also slow focusing and built very cheaply.
I've used the 18-55 kit lens, and I doubt many would use it, slow, and also slow focusing and built very cheaply.
ampguy
Veteran
probably soon
probably soon
Pentax has done canada rebates before, and probably will again on the dslr stuff, here's an interesting page of ca rebate info.:
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/DigitalSLR_pricing.shtml
probably soon
Pentax has done canada rebates before, and probably will again on the dslr stuff, here's an interesting page of ca rebate info.:
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/DigitalSLR_pricing.shtml
anandi said:Andrew, don't rub it in
Nuno, Totally agree that a relatively fast 28 on a DSLR is the way to go. I have been spending at least $50 a month on processing alone. Throw in film costs and scanning time (then touch up if I care about the shot) and well, I'm moving away from colour film. Delta 3200 is still untouchable though...
Cheers,
-Amit
anandi
Gotta catch the light.
No offense taken, and you point about Canada being a market equivalent to California is well taken. But, cameras in both countries are both sourced from Japan. Also in talking to the Pentax rep at a Camera show today in Ottawa, he told me that Pentaxes sales in Canada per capita are the highest of any of Pentax's markets in the world. His reason for not offering the rebate in Canada was that Pentax didn't have to - sales were doing just fine. It made sense to me, we Canadians tend to be a little more value conscious as a whole, so not surprised that Pentax does well here.
Also agree with you that US/Canada prices are not as cut an dried
as just the exchange rate.
I'm not particularly into cross-border shopping so would end up buying and supporting local retailers in any case, the smaller the shop the better.
Cheers,
-Amit
Also agree with you that US/Canada prices are not as cut an dried
as just the exchange rate.
I'm not particularly into cross-border shopping so would end up buying and supporting local retailers in any case, the smaller the shop the better.
Cheers,
-Amit
photogdave said:I'm afraid I have to completely disagree with you on this. There are plenty of reasons why there should be a price differential:
Canada is a much smaller market than the U.S. The entire photographic market for Canada is the same as just the state of California. I've even been told that B&H alone does more sales than all Canadian retailers combined! This mean that U.S. suppliers (Pentax USA) get a higher volume discount than Canadian suppliers (Pentax Canada).
Pentax Canada buys their product from Japan based on the volume it can move in its market and how the Canadian dollar is doing against the Yen. The U.S. dollar does not come into the equation.
Canada is a different country than the U.S. Our importers have different import taxes, duties, tariffs etc. to deal with. It is also more expensive to ship these products between their landing point to the distributers' warehouses, and then to the retailers.
All this adds up to a higher per unit cost for Canada than the U.S. There is no reason that Canadian suppliers and retailers should be losing money to match U.S. pricing. With a mere $100 difference (after a rebate which not everyone receives in the end) the price is so close it's not worth moaning about, especially considering that if you buy in Canada you get full warrantee coverage, local dealer support and the satisfaction of supporting your own economy and local retailer!
This is not meant to be critical of you or anyone else, I'm just concerned that not everyone (including our own brain-dead Finance Minister) are aware of all the facts when they discuss price differences between Canada and the USA.
peterm1
Veteran
I also think that many manufacuters take advantage of samller countries like Canada and Australia by charging higher prices. A famous (in Australia) example of this has been with CDs and DVDs. For many years, and until recently, in Australia we paid much much more than in the USA (and possibly Europe.) There was evidence of price gouging even though you could argue that there are reasons why some small premium might be appropriate to set up and maintain distribution channels. In fact this was enforced by manufacturers who often had exclusive distributors in this country who could charge whatever they wanted due to a lack of competition.
I think the same applies for cameras and photographic equipment. Even leaving aside exchange rates (and the Australian $ is at a record high) this is often not really well reflected in pricing. That is beginning to break down due to the influence of internet selling but we still get pasted.
I think the same applies for cameras and photographic equipment. Even leaving aside exchange rates (and the Australian $ is at a record high) this is often not really well reflected in pricing. That is beginning to break down due to the influence of internet selling but we still get pasted.
ampguy
Veteran
Anyone ever compare the K100D Super with the K10D (6 vs 10MP)? I'm curious at what print size the 10MP shows an advantage at, if any? 8x10, 11x14, 16x20?
B&H has the K100D Super body only for $369 with rebate (I've used the kit lens on my *ist DL, and won't be needing it). Will the 6MP Pentax models go lower, or just get phased out of retail and onto ebay?
B&H has the K100D Super body only for $369 with rebate (I've used the kit lens on my *ist DL, and won't be needing it). Will the 6MP Pentax models go lower, or just get phased out of retail and onto ebay?
Kim Coxon
Moderator
The images from the K10 are better. However, the biggest difference, IMHO, is not the number of pixels but the finder. The IstD, DS and the K10 all have Pentaprism finders. All the others have a Pentamirror system which while OK for AF is far inferior as soon as you try to MF.
Kim
Kim
ampguy said:
Tom Harrell
Well-known
This has been and interesting thread to me since I have been trying to figure out which DSLR to purchase. I have really been curious about the K10D and can see some merit to the camera. However the majority of my equipment has been Canon FD, FL and EOS. Therefore I wonder if I should not choose to stick with Canon to enable using the glass that I already have, or cross over to Pentax and try to find good quality new/used Pentax glass. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Tom
Thanks,
Tom
Kim Coxon
Moderator
Hi Tom,
Canon changed their mount so the older lenses are not compatible with the dSLRs. Nikon and perhaps more so Pentax have kept a better compatibility with the same mount. Even if you got a Canon dSLR, I suspect that most of your lenses would not fir anyway.
Kim
Canon changed their mount so the older lenses are not compatible with the dSLRs. Nikon and perhaps more so Pentax have kept a better compatibility with the same mount. Even if you got a Canon dSLR, I suspect that most of your lenses would not fir anyway.
Kim
Tom Harrell said:
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Tom Harrell said:
Kim is right. Your FD and FL glass will not work on a Canon DSLR.
Tom Harrell
Well-known
Thanks, Kim and Al. I wasn't sure if there was an adapter made to adapt FD lenses to Pentax or not and I only have two EOS lenses. Probably the best thing to do now is go to a local camera store that has the cameras I am interested and actually see how they handle and fit my hands. Perhaps a new brand of camera would wet my appetite as well. Thanks for your thoughts!
Tom
Tom
LeicaTom
Watch that step!
Steve Bellayr said:
I`m with Steve....go buy a Leica M6
Tom
dlove5
Established
As far as picking up good quality inexpensive Pentax glass, I have had pretty good luck. Just checking out fleamarkets, camera stores, and a couple of times on Ebay. Even asking one of the local repair shops netted me the owner's 28mm f3.5 plus other goodies for not very much.
By the way, a nice refund check arrived yesterday that my wife said would have to get here before she said she would get me the K10D.
So I know what I'm getting for Christmas!!!!!!!!
And I won't have to unload any of my Leica gear like I thought I would!!!
By the way, a nice refund check arrived yesterday that my wife said would have to get here before she said she would get me the K10D.
So I know what I'm getting for Christmas!!!!!!!!
And I won't have to unload any of my Leica gear like I thought I would!!!
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tedwhite
Guest
Right now I'm sticking with my istDS because of its pentaprism until I can get a chance to look through a K10D or K100D, and believe me, the Pentax lenses are outstanding (see "Detail, Car Wash, Douglas, AZ" in My Photos).
Ted
Ted