Strange winding problems on my m6ttl....photos included

[Leica All Day]

I first noticed that my m6ttl was have problems with winding a couple of weeks ago, I first noticed it at the Thai wedding that I photographed.....it only happened about 2 or 3 times but I could tell that the frame did not advance fully......I got really worried and started to pay close attention to it after that and it didn't happen for the rest of the night.....
I was relieved when I got back 20 rolls and only 3 photos were double exposed...

for the last month I have been paying close attention to the rewind dial and seeing if it rotates properly.....well, I had a roll that had 5 or 6 double exposed photos on it and I noticed it right away as I was using the camera and was bummed.......

well something happened yesterday that has never happened in 11 years of using this camera......the film snapped of the roll......I knew it as soon as I tried to rewind the film and felt no resistance, I knew right away that the film got torn out of the cassette , but I did not feel any resistance at all when I was advancing the film....

I just did a "test" on my camera and put a body cap on it and ran 10 rolls of different types of film through it, different brands of film and different rolls....I did not experience any problems at all.....at around the 36th exposure the film winder lever would stop and I would rewind the film....I did this 10 times and did not have any double exposures or any problems with film resistance around the 36th frame.....

I think I just had a couple of "badly made rolls of film", but I will keep a close eye on it and see what happens.........

I am going for a 2 week photo trip up the Mekong River on Monday and I will bring my m2 as a back up camera, but I am really hoping that was a problem with the film and not the camera.....I should mention, on the roll that I knew had double exposed 5 or 6 frames, I did a strange test with it....I put the roll in the camera after it was already rolled up and rewinded it again and felt a lump (bump) every time I wound the film.....that has never happened before with any other roll of film as I was rewinding them.......

anyways, the type of film that I have had problem with is all the same film (Kodak pro Image 100) so I am hoping that there was a "problem" on their part and not with my camera.....here are some photos

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this has never happened in 11 years of using this camera....I felt no resistance at all




you can see the sprocket holes ripped up here, but I felt no resistance at all when I got to the 36th frame


some more shots from the roll....something interesting happened, between some of the double exposed photos, I would get normal "full frame photos".....very random.....







I had a full CLA on my m6ttl by Sherry K about 2 years ago so I am not really sure what is going on.....for now, I am going to blame it on the film, but if it happens agains during my trip, I will switch to using my M2 as my main camera.......any comments or suggestions/thoughts would be appreciated...

cheers, michael

 

[helen.HH]

SORRY to hear of your Troubles
but I do LOVE that 2nd Shot ( terrible though that some poor child is MISSING )

 

[Leica All Day]

SORRY to hear of your Troubles
but I do LOVE that 2nd Shot ( terrible though that some poor child is MISSING )

thanks Helen......I like the 2nd shot as well.....but in a sad way.......as I was taking those photos I KNEW I was having problems, but I just kept on shooting.....

thanks a lot.....cheers, michael

 

[Steve Bellayr]

Fillm torn out of the cassette...yes, I have experienced it. I posted a thread years ago on this. Others have experienced it.

 

[Leica All Day]

Fillm torn out of the cassette...yes, I have experienced it. I posted a thread years ago on this. Others have experienced it.

Hi Steve, the funny thing is, I did not feel any resistance at all when it happened......during my test rolls (10 rolls of film) earlier today, I felt a stiff resistance and stopped winding and then rewinded the film back into the film canister......I was surprised that that roll ripped ripped the sprocket holes without any resistance....

cheers, michael

 

[EdwardKaraa]

The film torn out of the cassette is a film defect, not the camera for sure. It happened to me a couple of times in the past. Unfortunately, the double exposure is caused by the camera. AV camera does a very good job at Leica M repairs.

 

[Leica All Day]

The film torn out of the cassette is a film defect, not the camera for sure. It happened to me a couple of times in the past. Unfortunately, the double exposure is caused by the camera. AV camera does a very good job at Leica M repairs.

Thanks Edward, I have worked with AV camera in the past and they have been good to me, but I am not sure if they work on m6 ttl's......I wil ask them after my trip....they have done simple repairs in the past for me like tighting the top plate because it was loose and they fixed the wobbles on my 35mm 1.2 but I remember asking them once if they could repair a shutter curtain on my m6ttl and they said no......

but I will ask them about my problem and hope they can check it out....thanks for your reply....

cheers, michael

 

[EdwardKaraa]

Hi Michael. As far as I understand, they will not do jobs that require spare parts. They did a very good CLA job on my M6 classic though. The Leica shop at Central Rama III have a very good technician as well, and they may have access to spare parts.

 

[Leica All Day]

Hi Michael. As far as I understand, they will not do jobs that require spare parts. They did a very good CLA job on my M6 classic though. The Leica shop at Central Rama III have a very good technician as well, and they may have access to spare parts.

Ok cool, thanks for that info....I will check with both shops and ask them after my trip.....I'd rather get it fixed locally than have to send it to Sherry K.

Cheers, michael