nongfuspring
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I agree, the x-t1 is perhaps a bit better laid out than the A7. Personally I feel that there isn't a huge amount of difference in IQ between the A7 and x-t1, I'd just go with which one you enjoy using the most.
I'm also interested in the A7 but it feels a bit too "first gen" for me. Personally I'm going to wait for the next iteration which I hope will be a bit more consolidated regarding interface, but otherwise I'm going to be happy banging around my x-e1 for years to come.
whited3
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Of course there will always be some photographers who need a razor thin DoF. And I do really not want to stop anybody from buying a fullframe cam. I used to have an EOS 5D and I liked it a lot.
But I realized that I don't really need a "fullframe" sensor. (BTW, why "fullframe"? Of course, I know that it is because of the same size like a Format 135 film, but wouln't then medium format be something like "hyper-fullframe")
OK, all joking aside.
I strongly believe that most hobbyists are kind of seduced by that fullframe hype and by marketing strategies as well as magazine reports and not at last internet boards.
Most hobby photographers I know could easily do with an APS camera.
Yes, fullframe has advantages. Sure.
- better isolation of subjects (if you need that)
- lower noise (if you need to shoot at ISO 51200)
- more dynamic range (if you need that)
...
But there are also some others "rules" that apply:
- APS sensors are basically one generation behind fullframe sensors as far as noise is concerned. (My Fuji X-E1 produces lower noise at high ISO than my 5D did.)
- Not every fullframe sensor is euqally good at high ISOs. Compare Nikon D800 and Nikon D4 or Canon EOS 5D MkIII and Sony A7R.
- "Fullframe" also means bigger, heavier and more expensive lenses.
etc. etc.
All I want to say is that we, as hobbyists, should be aware of promises that we don't really need.
Fuji X offers with their 2/18, 1.4/23, 1.4/35 and 1.2/56 a great (though not really low-priced) selection of fast lenses. And for those who, like me, do not want to pay €1000,- for each lens they have, you can easily adapt older, manual lenses to your Fuji X.
Allow me to list my set of lenses for my Fuji X-E1, on order of FL:
Voigtländer 4.5/15 (MF, = 23)
Vivitar 3.8/19 (MF, = 28)
Nikkor-N.C 2.8/24 (MF, = 36)
Voigtländer Ultron 2/28 (MF, = 42)
Fuji XR 1.4/35 (AF, = 53)
Nikkor-S.C 1.2/55 (MF, = 83)
Voigtländer 2.5/75 (MF, = 113)
Nikkor-H 1.8/85 (MF, = 128)
Zuiko 3.5/100 (MF, = 150)
and zooms:
Sigma 4.5-5.6/12-24 (MF, = 18-36 or 13-26 with LensTurbo)
Fuji XR 2.8-4/18-55 (AF, = 27-83)
Fuji XC 4.5-6.7/50-230 (AF, = 75-345)
Now, tell me, is there anything left to be wanted?
I am not as brave as you, sir. Hype or not it's just what I'm familiar with and aren't we lucky to have such problems (choices).
whited3
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Yeah i'm assuming the speed booster has a give & take effect. No m-mount is dissapointing. Still reading about it...
drew.saunders
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To the OP: You can rent an X-T1 now: http://www.lensrentals.com/rent/fuji/cameras/fuji-x-t1
Since you're in Queens, there are probably local rental shops that are more convenient to use than one in CA, and likely have similar rates, but for about $100-150 or so, you could spend a whole week with the X-T1 and a lens or two of your choice. Maybe you only need a weekend with the camera to decide?
Lens Rentals also has both A7's and some FE lenses to rent.
Since you're in Queens, there are probably local rental shops that are more convenient to use than one in CA, and likely have similar rates, but for about $100-150 or so, you could spend a whole week with the X-T1 and a lens or two of your choice. Maybe you only need a weekend with the camera to decide?
Lens Rentals also has both A7's and some FE lenses to rent.
Gid
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As far as DOF is concerned, there is a stop difference between equivalent angles of view on APS-C and 35mm. So, a native 35mmlens on an X-Pro at f1.4 will give you the same DOF as a 50mm on a Sony A7 at f2.0 but will give you less DOF than a native 35mm lens on a Sony A7 at f1.4 (of course in this latter case you are not comparing equivalent angles of view). At 3 feet distance the difference in the total DOF at f1.4 is three tenths of an inch front to back - not really significant.
Kent
Finally at home...
Yes, indeed we are.
Getting fullframe because one is familiar with the focal lenght / angle of view of his lenses probably is the best reason I have heard.
agoglanian
Reconnected.
I contemplated switching to the Fuji full time, but in the end what I did was just reshuffle all of my equipment haha!
I consolidated my Canon bodies to just the 5DmkIII with my three key lenses (dumped the rest) and then I've got the X-Pro 1 as my secondary shooter and daily cam. I have all the primes I want on the system, and personally, I've gotten along with it really well, there surely have been some hiccups or irritations along the way, but overall e experience is largely positive.
That being said I have no intention of unloading my Canon kit. The 5D3 with no grip and the three lenses I use (16-35L II, 50L, 135L) is in my opinion, very manageable on weight and very rewarding on quality. Additionally I keep it around because I am often asked to do video work, and I like the way Canon's system is configured for dslr video.
I consolidated my Canon bodies to just the 5DmkIII with my three key lenses (dumped the rest) and then I've got the X-Pro 1 as my secondary shooter and daily cam. I have all the primes I want on the system, and personally, I've gotten along with it really well, there surely have been some hiccups or irritations along the way, but overall e experience is largely positive.
That being said I have no intention of unloading my Canon kit. The 5D3 with no grip and the three lenses I use (16-35L II, 50L, 135L) is in my opinion, very manageable on weight and very rewarding on quality. Additionally I keep it around because I am often asked to do video work, and I like the way Canon's system is configured for dslr video.
whited3
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Yeah I hear you... I've decided to keep my 1ds mkii body since it will sell for chump change. It's got all the original accessories and a pretty low shutter count; no interest at $900. Hell, even if someone offered more I would keep it for the time being.
In true g.a.s. form I went ahead and placed an order for the a7 anyways, and successfully bribed someone to send me their FD 50mm 1.2 L for some cash. This combo will server as a test bed before I completely exit Canon EOS. Probably wont... I imagine I'll sell of most of my EF glass for FD glass, shoot mainly a7 & leica, and keep a walkaround zoom for the 1ds in case I get the urge to shoot under a waterfall or something.
In true g.a.s. form I went ahead and placed an order for the a7 anyways, and successfully bribed someone to send me their FD 50mm 1.2 L for some cash. This combo will server as a test bed before I completely exit Canon EOS. Probably wont... I imagine I'll sell of most of my EF glass for FD glass, shoot mainly a7 & leica, and keep a walkaround zoom for the 1ds in case I get the urge to shoot under a waterfall or something.
bwcolor
Veteran
We are probably 12 -18 months away from having a large area on sensor PDAF with a large high quality evf. I would wait...and I am waiting. If you can't wait, the a6000 is an inexpensive place holder.
whited3
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Yeah, I'm going to have to cover my eyes since I just ordered the a7. Primary use will be manual focus though. So improvements to EVF and peaking/aids will be most painful. I've already accepted the bath I'll take on depreciation.
whited3
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Well, the Sony A7 is sitting on my desk charging. I guess that wraps up this thread from my end. Time to collect more old lenses.