nightfly
Well-known
I really like the Zeiss Tessar lens on my Yashica T4. It's slow but it does a really nice job with out of focus areas and is really sharp in the center.
Are there any Tessar or Tessar like lenses for Leica M or I guess screw with M-mount adapters in the 35-75 range? Is the Elmar like the Tessar design? Something around a 50 would be perfect as I like it for people and my Summicron covers as a 35.
Are there any Tessar or Tessar like lenses for Leica M or I guess screw with M-mount adapters in the 35-75 range? Is the Elmar like the Tessar design? Something around a 50 would be perfect as I like it for people and my Summicron covers as a 35.
ferider
Veteran
The Elmar 50/3.5 is very closely related to the Tessar, see attached diagrams.
You could also try the several Russian variants (Industar), some of the more modern
ones having better coating.
Very occasionally I have seen LTM mount Zeiss Tessar lenses, those
exist too, but are expensive and hard to find.
There are other Tessar variants available, too, like the Canon 50/2.8 LTM.
If you want something faster but similar, you might consider the modern CV 50/2 Heliar.
Roland.
You could also try the several Russian variants (Industar), some of the more modern
ones having better coating.
Very occasionally I have seen LTM mount Zeiss Tessar lenses, those
exist too, but are expensive and hard to find.
There are other Tessar variants available, too, like the Canon 50/2.8 LTM.
If you want something faster but similar, you might consider the modern CV 50/2 Heliar.
Roland.
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Avotius
Some guy
The Elmar 50 is a great lens to choose. I did a little write up about it here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38778
nightfly
Well-known
Avotius, those are some wonderful photos.
You should post in the Street thread. You may have sold me on the lens with those although I'm not too keen on a collapsible lens because they seem a little fiddly, the results speak for themselves.
You should post in the Street thread. You may have sold me on the lens with those although I'm not too keen on a collapsible lens because they seem a little fiddly, the results speak for themselves.
Avotius
Some guy
The aperture thing is a little fiddly, basically set it to your fav setting and try to leave it alone. Also protecting the front element can be tricky. If those things are not your cup of tea, the voigtlander 50 2.5 is an interesting lens that can be had cheap (if you can find one) it also has an odd character, maybe not tessar but still unique.
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leica M2 fan
Veteran
Avotius, thanks for taking me back to those photos.
Avotius, thanks for taking me back to those photos.
They are superb, I especially like the one of "old street and houses". The view looking down is perfect and the kid with his leg raised is an outstanding catch. I don't remember seeing them before but glad I did now.
Avotius, thanks for taking me back to those photos.
They are superb, I especially like the one of "old street and houses". The view looking down is perfect and the kid with his leg raised is an outstanding catch. I don't remember seeing them before but glad I did now.
brachal
Refrigerated User
The Elmar is very close to the Tessar. Many of the FSU lenses (50mm Fed, I-22, I-50, I-61, I-61LD -- the I stands for Industar) are tessar designs. I love the 50mm Fed, although the ergonomics are a bit rough. The I-61LD can be had for crazy-low prices, often with a working camera still attached and is a really, really good lens.
Avotius
Some guy
They are superb, I especially like the one of "old street and houses". The view looking down is perfect and the kid with his leg raised is an outstanding catch. I don't remember seeing them before but glad I did now.
Thanks! You didnt by any chance happen to catch my other threds that I permiated with pics did you? The couple about the Zeiss planar, the cv 35 PII, Ricoh GRD, and the GSN Yashinon? Oh and the Hasselblad.
In fact its almost time that I post another thread like this. I will soon, more about the Zeiss Planar and CV 35 PII, I am testing different films and will have results back in about a week.
leica M2 fan
Veteran
Actually I have seen all that body of work.
Actually I have seen all that body of work.
I was surprised when I clicked on your link that I had not seen these, your work with the XP2 is stunning, Believe me, I have tried with that film and do not get those rich blacks that you get! BTW,every one of your photos in the above mentioned link are outstanding, not just the richness but the subject matter. Can't wait to see your new offerings. Thanks so much.
Actually I have seen all that body of work.
Thanks! You didnt by any chance happen to catch my other threds that I permiated with pics did you? The couple about the Zeiss planar, the cv 35 PII, Ricoh GRD, and the GSN Yashinon? Oh and the Hasselblad.
In fact its almost time that I post another thread like this. I will soon, more about the Zeiss Planar and CV 35 PII, I am testing different films and will have results back in about a week.
I was surprised when I clicked on your link that I had not seen these, your work with the XP2 is stunning, Believe me, I have tried with that film and do not get those rich blacks that you get! BTW,every one of your photos in the above mentioned link are outstanding, not just the richness but the subject matter. Can't wait to see your new offerings. Thanks so much.
Captain
Well-known
There was a company in Japan that would convert the lens from the T4/5 into LTM and M mounts.
ferider
Veteran
Something apparently was wrong with my lens diagrams. I changed the post above so you can see them now.
raid
Dad Photographer
I regret having sold my Canon 50mm/2.8. It was a Tessar design lens in LTM, and as Roland has pointed out, there are few such lenses.
ampguy
Veteran
I've been using an I-22, and an I-50 recently. The key to success with these is pulling the tube out completely.
Also, some LTM to M adapters get in the way of letting the infinity focus lock, though it's close enough for hyperfocal focus, it would be nice to get the whole range.
I previously used these with film and was shocked when a whole roll came out unfocused. I recently tried them again and they focus great, as long as the barrel is pulled out with a slight twist to lock in the extended position.
I don't see anything different in the Leica branded ones vs the Industar ones.
From image 74 on here, are I-50 photos from the RD1:
http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4546483_JxkLA#267868632
Also, some LTM to M adapters get in the way of letting the infinity focus lock, though it's close enough for hyperfocal focus, it would be nice to get the whole range.
I previously used these with film and was shocked when a whole roll came out unfocused. I recently tried them again and they focus great, as long as the barrel is pulled out with a slight twist to lock in the extended position.
I don't see anything different in the Leica branded ones vs the Industar ones.
From image 74 on here, are I-50 photos from the RD1:
http://matsumura.smugmug.com/gallery/4546483_JxkLA#267868632
ampguy
Veteran
Yes, when it does flare, and I don't think a hood would help in my case, it really goes! Does anyone know if the VALOO hoods (or if there replicas?) would work on an I-22 or I-50?
BTW, not so pretty, but very convenient are aspirin or tylenol bottle caps for twist on lens caps, though I have one nice aluminum cap.
BTW, not so pretty, but very convenient are aspirin or tylenol bottle caps for twist on lens caps, though I have one nice aluminum cap.
Bingley
Veteran
A good clean Elmar 50/3.5 is a wonderful little lens. I've got a coated version (circa 1947) and love what it can do -- very sharp, but also very pleasant oof areas too.
nightfly
Well-known
Not sure I want to deal with the flakiness of the Russian lenses. I love the feel of Leica's and even CV's stuff. If it's stiff or loose and generally futzy, odds are I won't use it.
Seems like what I'd really want is a non-collapsable Elmarit with the front element a little inset like on my 35mm Summicron as I don't generally use a hood or a filter.
I had a Canon 1.8 once but I didn't really care for it's rendition.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
Seems like what I'd really want is a non-collapsable Elmarit with the front element a little inset like on my 35mm Summicron as I don't generally use a hood or a filter.
I had a Canon 1.8 once but I didn't really care for it's rendition.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
FPjohn
Well-known
Canon F2.8
Canon F2.8
The Canon F2.8 50mm, as previously mentioned, exactly fits your description. See my atavar left.
yours
FPJ
Canon F2.8
Not sure I want to deal with the flakiness of the Russian lenses. I love the feel of Leica's and even CV's stuff. If it's stiff or loose and generally futzy, odds are I won't use it.
Seems like what I'd really want is a non-collapsable Elmarit with the front element a little inset like on my 35mm Summicron as I don't generally use a hood or a filter.
I had a Canon 1.8 once but I didn't really care for it's rendition.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
The Canon F2.8 50mm, as previously mentioned, exactly fits your description. See my atavar left.
yours
FPJ
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ferider
Veteran
I had a Canon 1.8 once but I didn't really care for it's rendition.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
The 1.8 is Planar based. The 2.8 is a Tessar variant. Best,
Roland.
brachal
Refrigerated User
I have 7 LTM Soviet lenses, and have never had a problem with one that couldn't be honestly attributed to the age of the lens and fixed by a routine CLA. Most of the FSU gear people complain about is 20 to 50 years old, but if it's a little "flakey" the whole Soviet Optical Industry gets slammed. A 50 year old Leica lens (not knocking Leica; I love Leica) does not get the same treatement.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
The lens on the T4 is labeled a Tessar, but I have no idea whether it's a true Tessar-type design or not. Classically, Tessars didn't get wider than about 40mm. Has anyone seen a block diagram of this lens? I will say that it's a superb lens, whatever the design might be.
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