Ummm...there was a deep water 'moratorium' was there not? The admin was taken to a Louisiana court, and lost. Then they invoked an even bigger ban.. All this is easily confirmed.
The coming oil shortage-what are you doing to prepare?
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Ummm...there was a deep water 'moratorium' was there not? The admin was taken to a Louisiana court, and lost. Then they invoked an even bigger ban.. All this is easily confirmed.
ebolton
Number 7614
Obama bans eastern Gulf drilling for 7 years
December 01, 2010|By the CNN Wire Staff
The ban on drilling in the Gulf is a result of the April 20 explosion of BP's Deepwater Horizon drilling rig.
President Barack Obama will not be allowing new drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for at least seven years, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced Wednesday.
December 01, 2010|By the CNN Wire Staff
The ban on drilling in the Gulf is a result of the April 20 explosion of BP's Deepwater Horizon drilling rig.
President Barack Obama will not be allowing new drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico for at least seven years, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced Wednesday.
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Nikon Bob
Guest
Well generally you get somethimg most of the people can live. The other way one or the other side manages to ram through what it wants and alienates the other half of the population. It is called being reasonable when making a deal on a person to person level. If you like stalemate and never ending inertia then being stubbornly adversarial is the way to go. Is actually getting a solution less important than being dogmatic?
Bob
The answer to that, like with photographic questions, is "it depends." 🙂
I'd rather have a stalemate and no solution, if said solution is a poor one.
Gridlock is not a necessarily a bad thing. That's the reason for built-in checks and balances...
I'd rather have a stalemate and no solution, if said solution is a poor one.
Gridlock is not a necessarily a bad thing. That's the reason for built-in checks and balances...
ebolton
Number 7614
Still going with ignorant. The Gulf of Mexico currently accounts for roughly 30% of US oil production, even with the drilling ban.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/special/gulf_of_mexico/index.cfm
And there are more wells already drilled, ready to put into production. The drilling ban does not "ban gulf oil", as you suggested (in Fox news fashion).
http://www.eia.doe.gov/special/gulf_of_mexico/index.cfm
And there are more wells already drilled, ready to put into production. The drilling ban does not "ban gulf oil", as you suggested (in Fox news fashion).
Edward C. Zimmermann
Nerd
Correct... although some of the "negative" elements are not new.. I see a lot of America First Committee in the Tea Party... and I see a lot of pre-20th Congress CP/USA Stalinism poking its head out..
This perhaps has a longer tradition too... "What peace movements have not sided with totalitarian dictators?"..
What do you think the soldiers are being paid? The average monthly wage in North Korea is less than $47 USD. The cost of living is, however, not that cheap. A kg of rice, for example, costs around $1 USD.
For sure. Still, $6k annually per soldier is not much of a threat.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Who elected the government? And the previous one? And the one before that?
As I said, there's a basic flaw in democracy. But there are bigger flaws in all the alternatives.
Cheers,
R.
ebolton
Number 7614
Damn right it's whatever I say. Unlike you, I'm in the industry. Drilling, production, and leasing are all different things. First comes leasing, then drilling, then production.
I'm done feeding this troll. Good luck to you, Roger.
I'm done feeding this troll. Good luck to you, Roger.
Last time I checked, bureaucrats are not elected. This is why newly created bureaucracies are nearly impossible to kill, no matter which administration takes over...
Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I could have deduced this without your help! Heh.
antiquark
Derek Ross
I like how GW morphed into AGW (Human-caused GW) over the decades. It's an epic example of moving the goalposts!
Even in the 70's scientists were saying "we are causing global warming." Of course there was denial. Now that the weather is kicking us in the nuts, nobody can argue against global warming. Solution: AGW, "yeah, there's global warming, but we didn't cause it."
The next goalpost movement will be USGW denial. The deniers will look at the evidence, and say "yeah, there's global warming, and people caused it, but the United States had nothing to do with it! It's them damn Chinese, they're not driving clean-burning SUV's like we are!" 🙂
Even in the 70's scientists were saying "we are causing global warming." Of course there was denial. Now that the weather is kicking us in the nuts, nobody can argue against global warming. Solution: AGW, "yeah, there's global warming, but we didn't cause it."
The next goalpost movement will be USGW denial. The deniers will look at the evidence, and say "yeah, there's global warming, and people caused it, but the United States had nothing to do with it! It's them damn Chinese, they're not driving clean-burning SUV's like we are!" 🙂
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zumbido
Guest
I don't participate in these sorts of threads anymore, but I sure do find them useful.
Political discussions are very efficient at revealing whether a person likes to hide behind "evidence" while making decisions and statements that are purely ego-driven (whether the particular form of ego involved is the need to be perceived as "iconoclastic", the need to spur hatred of a putative "common enemy", or many others).
And that, in turn, gives me a little window into whether their opinion about even something prosaic like, say, photography is likely to have any worth at all...
Political discussions are very efficient at revealing whether a person likes to hide behind "evidence" while making decisions and statements that are purely ego-driven (whether the particular form of ego involved is the need to be perceived as "iconoclastic", the need to spur hatred of a putative "common enemy", or many others).
And that, in turn, gives me a little window into whether their opinion about even something prosaic like, say, photography is likely to have any worth at all...
Frontman
Well-known
Here in Japan the price of gas has been over $5 per gallon for years. I simply walk, ride a bike, or use public transportation. Not only do I save money, but I stay healthy too.
When I lived in America I had three vehicles, a car, a jeep, and a motorcycle. But even with three vehicles I rode my bicycle when the weather allowed. My daily commute was 20 miles each way, each day. After several months of cycling to and from work, I had lost several pounds and had a resting pulse of 48 beats per minute.
My family owns a large parcel of land in west Texas, and I have nearly finished building an energy self-sufficient home. I built thick, extra-insulated walls, double pane glass, and situated the house so as to let the sun shine through the windows in the winter, but not in the summer. The house is fully solar powered, but I was able to buy the equipment cheaply by salvaging solar panels from wrecked highway signs. The only large expense was the battery storage system, but the cost of the batteries is recouped after only 8 months of being off the grid. The batteries last about 8 years, so you can imagine the amount of money saved.
As for global warming, it's nonsense. Climate has changed more drastically over shorter periods of time in the past than it is now, and even Dr. Phil Jones, head of EAU's climate change unit had to admit to the BBC that there has been no statistical global warming since 1995, and that the hot years in 2003 and 2010 were due to El Nino influences. "Climategate" was much more publicized in Europe than in America. And interesting note is that while the ice caps were shrinking (and then re-expanding) on earth, they were doing the same thing on Mars... Those probes we sent to Mars must have generated some serious C02.
When I lived in America I had three vehicles, a car, a jeep, and a motorcycle. But even with three vehicles I rode my bicycle when the weather allowed. My daily commute was 20 miles each way, each day. After several months of cycling to and from work, I had lost several pounds and had a resting pulse of 48 beats per minute.
My family owns a large parcel of land in west Texas, and I have nearly finished building an energy self-sufficient home. I built thick, extra-insulated walls, double pane glass, and situated the house so as to let the sun shine through the windows in the winter, but not in the summer. The house is fully solar powered, but I was able to buy the equipment cheaply by salvaging solar panels from wrecked highway signs. The only large expense was the battery storage system, but the cost of the batteries is recouped after only 8 months of being off the grid. The batteries last about 8 years, so you can imagine the amount of money saved.
As for global warming, it's nonsense. Climate has changed more drastically over shorter periods of time in the past than it is now, and even Dr. Phil Jones, head of EAU's climate change unit had to admit to the BBC that there has been no statistical global warming since 1995, and that the hot years in 2003 and 2010 were due to El Nino influences. "Climategate" was much more publicized in Europe than in America. And interesting note is that while the ice caps were shrinking (and then re-expanding) on earth, they were doing the same thing on Mars... Those probes we sent to Mars must have generated some serious C02.
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cidereye
Film Freak
Tell me about it, my relatives in the USA moan all the time about what they pay but they soon go quiet when you tell them we're paying the equivalent of $9.41 a gallon here in England !! 🙄 😱 🙁
Now *that is* expensive.
$5 ??? I wish!
dave lackey
Veteran
Well, let's see how the new electric vehicles shape up in the next 5 years. Hopefully, I will have a job by then to purchase one for my short-range driving and kiss the gasoline bill goodbye, or at least 80% of it!!! Can't wait for that.
pixelatedscraps
Well-known
I stopped reading when I saw "Fox News..."
