kknox
kknox
Saw these two dealerships today, closed within 2 blocks of each other. Hows your town.
The end of the car business in the US as we knew it.
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DRabbit
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Not sure where you live, but by me these types of abandoned dealerships are all over the place. I'll have to try to grab a few photos...
kknox
kknox
Seattle area, this is just two of many. All of the employees out of work. I spent 15yrs in the auto industry now not working.
George S.
How many is enough?
Some accounts say 1/3 of all New car dealerships in the US will be closed by sometime in 2011.
kknox
kknox
The ripple effect is huge, all those employees eat at the local fast food places, shop where they work & use the local dry cleaners. This just is not about the 60-120 employees at each dealership. Just think of the lost tax revenue the dealerships generated for the state.
jack palmer
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There were to many dealerships anyway. Good news is Ford sales are up something like 23%.
-doomed-
film is exciting
It's rather sad, most of the scum that sell the cars aren't out of jobs though. I was a tech who saw the revolving door that seemed to be there for our sales force. I know a bunch of good techs who lost jobs so Chrysler could save a buck.(Getting rid of Bob Nardelli of former Home Depot fame, could have saved them millions.) I returned to school about a year before my dealership closed, 40 years in business gone in a flash.
From when it was still open
From when it was still open
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nikon_sam
Shooter of Film...
These are sad to see and Yes I have photographed one nearby empty dealership...
What makes it look really bad is that these dealerships are BIG and now they are empty, the big lots are empty and you just can't hid these things...
It's the end of the large & free spending by alot of big companies or at least it should be...
Big companies should be allowed to fail...how else will people learn to be responsible...
The US will still manufacture cars/trucks....
After a better look at your shots...The place I shot looks almost the same...It was originally a Ford dealership...
What makes it look really bad is that these dealerships are BIG and now they are empty, the big lots are empty and you just can't hid these things...
It's the end of the large & free spending by alot of big companies or at least it should be...
Big companies should be allowed to fail...how else will people learn to be responsible...
The US will still manufacture cars/trucks....
After a better look at your shots...The place I shot looks almost the same...It was originally a Ford dealership...
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-doomed-
film is exciting
I agree , as terrible as it is Chrysler and GM should have failed and went out of business, they both should have learned from the 70's and the 80's , failure to compete with the imports that were cheaper and better on gas then and failure to step up and compete with the forward thinking of those same companies now. They were the big 3 who needed to compete ?[/sarcasm]
hugh
Member
the slow burn of controlled collapse
the slow burn of controlled collapse
I started down this rabbit hole in '02. Alone. Here's just a little tiny taste of the red pill. If ya wanna go there, be careful, and take something that fortifies your spirit. It's ugly:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120805_peakoil_nottheory.shtml
the slow burn of controlled collapse
I started down this rabbit hole in '02. Alone. Here's just a little tiny taste of the red pill. If ya wanna go there, be careful, and take something that fortifies your spirit. It's ugly:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/120805_peakoil_nottheory.shtml
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
hugh said:
Or the gentle burn of uncontrolled collapse. It's interesting, as jobs leave the country in droves, the Gub'ment can monitor their statistics to within a nat's @ss of precision, feigning busy-work for concern, like a doctor monitoring the vitals of a dieing patient but doing nothing to prolong the outcome.
Nice link, thanks.
~Joe
Brian Puccio
Well-known
Isn't that the truth. According to autotrader.com, there's 530 dealers with vehicles within 25 miles of my zip code, 11554, for boring old East Meadow, NY. East Meadow being part of the Town of Hempstead, a pinnacle of suburban sprawl on Long Island, bordering NYC's borough of Queens and home of the original Levittown. Nothing exciting here and those living in Manhattan don't drive cars, so why all the dealerships? Do I really need an opportunity to buy a new every mile down the road?
hugh
Member
Thanks, Joe. I've become very interested in the behavior of groups and individuals. How we seem to become trapped in beliefs and behaviors, why we perpetuate beliefs and behaviors even to our own and others' demise. I have Elias Canetti's "Crowds & Power" on my desk but I've yet to dive in...
This link however is interesting because some small pieces of the work done by Ruppert and his 11 or 12 investigative journalists (which I had been following and financially contributing to) as well as that of Richard Heinberg ( http://www.richardheinberg.com/Home.html ) which you can read on that site, was after about four years, reaching the unreachable halls of congress. The course of events which transpired after this article sadly show that deaf ears reign. No one wants to really look death in the face. Change or die. We would most like to believe in heaven while we race down the road to hell. Change is more frightening than death. But death is the ultimate change (as far as I can tell, anyway) isn't it?
Because of the work of these journalists and writers (especially Catherine Austin Fitts) I was not surprised about the first little bump to our economy (which the public thinks was the big crash--reality check--it's just the first tremor before the big one) and the resulting massive theft of public monies into the dying private sector. I was just sad that they got it so right several years before it happened. Their map of how things really work is proving pretty damned accurate.
This link however is interesting because some small pieces of the work done by Ruppert and his 11 or 12 investigative journalists (which I had been following and financially contributing to) as well as that of Richard Heinberg ( http://www.richardheinberg.com/Home.html ) which you can read on that site, was after about four years, reaching the unreachable halls of congress. The course of events which transpired after this article sadly show that deaf ears reign. No one wants to really look death in the face. Change or die. We would most like to believe in heaven while we race down the road to hell. Change is more frightening than death. But death is the ultimate change (as far as I can tell, anyway) isn't it?
Because of the work of these journalists and writers (especially Catherine Austin Fitts) I was not surprised about the first little bump to our economy (which the public thinks was the big crash--reality check--it's just the first tremor before the big one) and the resulting massive theft of public monies into the dying private sector. I was just sad that they got it so right several years before it happened. Their map of how things really work is proving pretty damned accurate.
ully
ully
They thought they were to good to compete, now Gov. Motors will die a slow death.
MCTuomey
Veteran
i don't understand. manufacturing companies fail without aid. banks and insurance companies are rescued. what sort of skewed and selective free market is being recommended?
the new domestics are shutting plants, not just the old domestics. we have unemployed people, on average well over 500,000 per state. they will not be absorbed into equivalent wage jobs here because those jobs don't exist and there is no retraining anywhere near affordable and sufficiently large in scope to address the need to switch careers. have you looked at the escalation in the price of education over the last decade? most states are withdrawing support from education.
our children and grandchildren - where will they find living jobs? sure, of course, healthcare. being a nurse's assistant changing the bedpans and catheters of my generation as we age and die off.
bah, i'm going out to shoot some pics, the irrelevant kind, of course.
the new domestics are shutting plants, not just the old domestics. we have unemployed people, on average well over 500,000 per state. they will not be absorbed into equivalent wage jobs here because those jobs don't exist and there is no retraining anywhere near affordable and sufficiently large in scope to address the need to switch careers. have you looked at the escalation in the price of education over the last decade? most states are withdrawing support from education.
our children and grandchildren - where will they find living jobs? sure, of course, healthcare. being a nurse's assistant changing the bedpans and catheters of my generation as we age and die off.
bah, i'm going out to shoot some pics, the irrelevant kind, of course.
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DanOnRoute66
I now live in Des Moines
As a journalist, I drove a lot of miles, as many as 20,000 a year. That's why I spent a lot of time thinking about how I could 1) put fewer pollutants into the already polluted Phoenix-area air, and 2) reduce or eliminate the money sent overseas to the Middle East that ends up financing terrorism.
My solution was to buy a car with a diesel engine, which the very first time I filled it up was filled with biodiesel. The fuel I originally bought was made from soybean oil, and then -- even better -- about 15 months ago my fuel supplier began selling biodiesel made from discarded restaurant cooking oil.
My 2000 VW already was a "clean machine" putting out very few pollutants as new. Using biodiesel reduces those already miniscule pollutants by about 80 percent. The thing runs so clean that when I have it emission-tested (required annually here in the Phoenix area) it typically gives an opacity reading (a measurement of the soot in the exhaust) of 0.
pakeha
Well-known
A perspective from out of the US that kinda fits with what all have been posting.
The Mercedes dealer down the road from our place was doing great- lots of A Class sales and CDI sales, same with the GM/Saab guys - untill they got on the Hummer/Jeep/ Cadislack bandwagon, all gone now.
The Mercedes dealer down the road from our place was doing great- lots of A Class sales and CDI sales, same with the GM/Saab guys - untill they got on the Hummer/Jeep/ Cadislack bandwagon, all gone now.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Could this be a new record? One post followed by a scant few about the subject of the original photo then a hard turn into economics / politics?
Now if someone would like to see some meaningful photos related to this topic, check out Bruce Gilden's two narrated slide shows on the home foreclosure situation in Detroit. It is at the Magnum in motion website.
Now if someone would like to see some meaningful photos related to this topic, check out Bruce Gilden's two narrated slide shows on the home foreclosure situation in Detroit. It is at the Magnum in motion website.
Ronald M
Veteran
When the population wakes up to the fact that government policy is what caused this, maybe we can get some people in office who will stop Nafta, incentives for outsourcing to foreign lands, bloated government with no fiscal responsibility, etc etc. I could go on for an hour.
The old say we have the best government money can buy is very true. Lobbyists, campaign contributions, favors, all distort the system for the benefit of the pols and big money who can buy whatever laws they want. Corp execs act like they own the business and work hand in hand with the boards of directors to give each other raises.
Stockholders get screwed. Congress voted themselves $5000 raises for 2010. How much did you get? Finance people make money by playing shell games with money and create no real value. Damn near put the world into depression with congress adding and abbeting.
The top few percent of the population controls 25% of the money and it is going up. The middle class has made NO GAINS adjusted for inflation since 1980 or before.
The lower class can`t get any work. Therefore taxes have to go up to pay for their unemployment.
Now we have goverment setting up a health care plan we don`t want but is so good for us, congress will not get into it themselves.
So when people have no money, cars are the last thing they need to buy. So the ripple effect will kill more and more.
Nobody listened to Ross Perot when he talked of the giant sucking sound of wealth leaving. Well do you hear it now?
Nobody listened to Ron Paul in the last election. That would have been a start.
This is absolutely not partisan politics because there is pleanty of blame to go around, both elephants and donkeys. Behind closed doors they are buddies, believe me.
This country is on the road to a socialst movement like Europe and the welfare state with taxes you can`t believe to pay the benefits. And they don`t pay their own defense bill.
We still have thousands of people stationed there protecting them from the Russian invasion. We have cushioned their downfall by our defense umbrella. Problem is there is nobody to cushion us.
We had better start paying attention if it not already too late, because there is not much time left if we don`t. It is getting pretty bad when communist China lectures us on our stupid monetary policy. Sad but true.
Step one is evoke tern limits. No congress does not need to enact them. We get the chance every other year. It is simple. If you recognise the name, put the X somewhere else. That simple folks. You do have to register and go to the poll. Is that too much effort? A lot of people died for you to exercise that right. The least you can do is take advantage or you are part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
One last lesson. Government can`t give you anything. It has no money other than what they confiscate from you to distribute to someone else. Don`t listen to all the promises because they all end up the same way, more taxes.
The old say we have the best government money can buy is very true. Lobbyists, campaign contributions, favors, all distort the system for the benefit of the pols and big money who can buy whatever laws they want. Corp execs act like they own the business and work hand in hand with the boards of directors to give each other raises.
Stockholders get screwed. Congress voted themselves $5000 raises for 2010. How much did you get? Finance people make money by playing shell games with money and create no real value. Damn near put the world into depression with congress adding and abbeting.
The top few percent of the population controls 25% of the money and it is going up. The middle class has made NO GAINS adjusted for inflation since 1980 or before.
The lower class can`t get any work. Therefore taxes have to go up to pay for their unemployment.
Now we have goverment setting up a health care plan we don`t want but is so good for us, congress will not get into it themselves.
So when people have no money, cars are the last thing they need to buy. So the ripple effect will kill more and more.
Nobody listened to Ross Perot when he talked of the giant sucking sound of wealth leaving. Well do you hear it now?
Nobody listened to Ron Paul in the last election. That would have been a start.
This is absolutely not partisan politics because there is pleanty of blame to go around, both elephants and donkeys. Behind closed doors they are buddies, believe me.
This country is on the road to a socialst movement like Europe and the welfare state with taxes you can`t believe to pay the benefits. And they don`t pay their own defense bill.
We still have thousands of people stationed there protecting them from the Russian invasion. We have cushioned their downfall by our defense umbrella. Problem is there is nobody to cushion us.
We had better start paying attention if it not already too late, because there is not much time left if we don`t. It is getting pretty bad when communist China lectures us on our stupid monetary policy. Sad but true.
Step one is evoke tern limits. No congress does not need to enact them. We get the chance every other year. It is simple. If you recognise the name, put the X somewhere else. That simple folks. You do have to register and go to the poll. Is that too much effort? A lot of people died for you to exercise that right. The least you can do is take advantage or you are part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
One last lesson. Government can`t give you anything. It has no money other than what they confiscate from you to distribute to someone else. Don`t listen to all the promises because they all end up the same way, more taxes.
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hugh
Member
Hi Dan! You and me both: my partner & I also got a diesel New Beetle to use biodiesel in '04, I think it was. We still drive it. But what's the benefit?
Yes, the pollutant issue--and it heartens me that you put your money and actions where your sense of what's best for all of creation is.... yet when we talk about energy, it requires more for us to consider. How this thread got started (as I perceive it) was the economics of closing businesses. In this case, it's auto dealerships. I think many people's perspective of energy use is limited to cars. They don't think of how much petrochemical went into the fertilizer and the machines that grew their food, which were transported, packed in more petrochemical products (plastic), stored, frozen or chilled and transported and stored, frozen or chilled again before they drove their car to the store to buy their damn green beans (what I'm eating at the moment). What we're looking at here is even more immediately threatening than pollutants and greenhouse gases. It's the equivalent of 100 human energy slaves for every "first-world" human (since the dawn of petrochemical energy). What we're beginning to see play out is the relationship between economics and energy. Somewhere I've read that something like 40-60% of a car's energy usage is in its own making. Does anyone have some figures on this? I can't remember the number or its source. And as you stated--even better in regards to biofuels is using waste from restaurants. But what is the benefit of biofuels if the same amount of petroleum goes into biofuel production as does go into human food production.? Every time you exchange energy you loose. Just like every time you dupe a neg or transparency, you loose. So why not put the damn petrol into the car instead of growing the crops to feed the car? However, if you can use a waste product as you stated, you are actually helping to slow the hemorrhage.
A year and a half ago I attended the annual Ecocities conference which happens each year around the world. What was the summation of that conference in the closing speech by Richard Register? Fuel efficient hybrid biofuel cars are the..............worst thing we can have. Why? Because they encourage sprawl. (Think Los Angeles where I spend a small part of each year as the poster child for cities of the past) It is the antithesis of a sustainable future. Fuel efficient cars make it easy to spend more energy towards isolation when we should be making cities where one can walk to work, your friends' house, the garden (where we get most of our food--locally), the store, the factory, our home. We have to get reality on what we're actually doing instead of dreaming up the next Prius that gets ten more miles to the biofuel gallon while spending more than ten times that savings in its own production on the assembly line.
If you spend a few weeks beginning to explore that link I first posted, we'll be starting to see the same challenge that we all face.
Here's to a new decade and another shot at f-ing it up even worse!! I'm back to my irrelevant pursuits.
Yes, the pollutant issue--and it heartens me that you put your money and actions where your sense of what's best for all of creation is.... yet when we talk about energy, it requires more for us to consider. How this thread got started (as I perceive it) was the economics of closing businesses. In this case, it's auto dealerships. I think many people's perspective of energy use is limited to cars. They don't think of how much petrochemical went into the fertilizer and the machines that grew their food, which were transported, packed in more petrochemical products (plastic), stored, frozen or chilled and transported and stored, frozen or chilled again before they drove their car to the store to buy their damn green beans (what I'm eating at the moment). What we're looking at here is even more immediately threatening than pollutants and greenhouse gases. It's the equivalent of 100 human energy slaves for every "first-world" human (since the dawn of petrochemical energy). What we're beginning to see play out is the relationship between economics and energy. Somewhere I've read that something like 40-60% of a car's energy usage is in its own making. Does anyone have some figures on this? I can't remember the number or its source. And as you stated--even better in regards to biofuels is using waste from restaurants. But what is the benefit of biofuels if the same amount of petroleum goes into biofuel production as does go into human food production.? Every time you exchange energy you loose. Just like every time you dupe a neg or transparency, you loose. So why not put the damn petrol into the car instead of growing the crops to feed the car? However, if you can use a waste product as you stated, you are actually helping to slow the hemorrhage.
A year and a half ago I attended the annual Ecocities conference which happens each year around the world. What was the summation of that conference in the closing speech by Richard Register? Fuel efficient hybrid biofuel cars are the..............worst thing we can have. Why? Because they encourage sprawl. (Think Los Angeles where I spend a small part of each year as the poster child for cities of the past) It is the antithesis of a sustainable future. Fuel efficient cars make it easy to spend more energy towards isolation when we should be making cities where one can walk to work, your friends' house, the garden (where we get most of our food--locally), the store, the factory, our home. We have to get reality on what we're actually doing instead of dreaming up the next Prius that gets ten more miles to the biofuel gallon while spending more than ten times that savings in its own production on the assembly line.
If you spend a few weeks beginning to explore that link I first posted, we'll be starting to see the same challenge that we all face.
Here's to a new decade and another shot at f-ing it up even worse!! I'm back to my irrelevant pursuits.
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