The Kiev Project - Part 1

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BUYING THE TICKET AND ABOARDING THE SHIP

I thought to write some introduction but things will come along the walk.

What we need to start, is a Kiev we are ready to sacrifice. Perhaps we have one, perhaps we'll have to buy one. In no case, a nicely working kiev is to be put at risk till the end of our trip. I, myself, have started contacts with several dealers.

In case you are going to buy a kiev for our pending training, the model I most recommend is the newest you can find, from the type 4am, meterless Kiev. They are the best bargain. This means the most efficient working condition at the lowest price. As for the exterior look of it, which those of us acquinted with older models high style cannot stand, I will show you how to change its look totally, into a most appealing looking camera, no one is selling alike. Kievs 4am have other advantages, some of them of high importance, such as a bigger winding knob, making winding easier, and better placed and bigger white numbers for shutter speeds, allowing easier speed identification. Another very serious improvement is the fixed winding spool eliminating the issue of frame spacing, and to a less importance for me the rewind knob. Remember, that in the same way we may end with a Kiev for parts, we may end with a charmly camera to use.

In any case what we are looking for, and paying for, is the most precious of all: experience and knowledge. This, in the future will bring the biggest revenue.

In case you will be using a Kiev you already own, I repeat the risks you are taking. Besides I recommend it will not be a metered coupled Kiev, since its disassembly I just happen to be starting learning, as i ever owned only one. So we are not going to put at risk a good working camera, but a non working one will not be usefull either. Perhaps at the end of the training we may solve its problems. For sure not at the start.

Since some of us are going to buy a camera we will continue with Part 2, after a month more or less from now.

Until then when we meet again, those of us already having a camera for training, have the following mission to perform. I will call it The X-Ray Test of the camera, enabling us to gather a myriad of info, from which what interests us right now is most of all the shutter performance of our kiev before we open the fisrt screw.

What we have to do is to take our most trusted camera, preferently an SLR (but only if we really trust it) and look for an area around our house, in which we can identify a proper fitting exposure of f/5.6 at 1/125. With the help of a tripod or any other supporting device, we will make a series of exposures all equivalent to each other:

f/2 at 1/1000 = f2.8 at 1/500 = f4 at 1/250 = f5.6 at 1/125 = f8 at 1/60 = f11 at 1/30 = f16 at 1/30 = f22 at 1/15

After finishig these shots we will carefully rewind film, leaving a tongue out, and insert this film into our project Kiev. Once the film is within the Kiev, we will shoot blanks to advance the film to the point of our last SLR exposure, and then we will be shooting some additional 4 or 5 blank frames to be sure no overlapping will take place.

Then we will repeat the sequence above mentioned with our project Kiev, preferently in the same order. If meanwhile light has changed, we will have to do it another day at the same hour we started with our SLR.

The subject in both cases should be placed at 1 meter from subject to camera back, or at 1meter according to the SLR standard lens in agreement of both viewing and distance scale, and of course the subject will be the same for both cameras, as big as possible, as detailed as possible.

When we shoot with the Kiev, the second series on the same film, we will place it in the same place of the trusted camera and set the focus according to the distance scale of the Kiev, not according to what we may see at the kiev viewfinder.

Within reasonable common sense tolerances, we will not seek perfect exposure of our subject, but try to learn how close or far our project Kiev speeds performs, compared to those of our most trusted camera. The second thing we will learn is the performance of the shutter speeds of our kiev, according to itself. Are all speeds working consequently or not?

If everything is perfect in both series we will have from frame to frame the same level of exposure, or negative density. and both series (both cameras) will closely agree with each other.

But, like in any test, surprises may arise and we should not desperate, but take note. This negative will be sent to processing only, and no print should distract us. We will looking at the negative over a light table or against a mated window. This negative will have an extremely multiple value for us, now and in the future.

Of course, those of us waiting for our newly purchase kiev for the project, will perform the same test as soon as possible, since our other fellows are waiting.

We are starting with checking the Kiev shutter speeds, because the Kiev shutter tension is the hard bone to overcome, in order to soften the camera. At the last stages of our training, we will have this negative test for checking and refining our messing with the shutter curtains spring distension.

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Now is time to repeat and refine some earlier assertions.

a) If you have never opened a single screw of any camera, you are my most distinguished guest here. I promise you I will get out of my mind in trying to put the level of my explanations to your present situation. This training is purposed for giving you access to the Kiev Survival Site.

One of the reasons I love explaining things for people with no idea at all about them, is that I am forced to go and think about the basics. And the basics are the basics, the starting point from where you build either good or bad. Discussing the basics is the most productive of all.

b) If you are a Contax owner, you not only have a place of honour here, but we desperately need you. Our goal is to bring our crude Kiev performance as close as possible to your exquisite working Contax. Only you can tell us how much we are closing the gap. But you also have a lot to gain here. Do you think that Contax repairmen have learnt their craft breaking one Contax after the other ? Of course not. They have learnt breaking cheap Kievs. Perhaps here and there you will be able to obtain from this training a way to elevate a Kiev to your standards and use it in a lot of situations you will not like to risk your precious Contax. I hope so.

c) If you are a dexterous Kiev do it at home repair person, you are kindly invited to check what I am doing and openly disagree with my proceedings. Your help is most required and welcomed. No progress is the result of Amen chorus.


Ok, is every one ready to sail ? Let's see if the globe is round and our ship arrives at the West Indias, or we are eaten by the dragons.

Cheers,
Ruben

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Hi Ruben,

I have a Kiev 4 with meter that I bought off eBay a few months ago that only cost me twenty something dollars so the chance to delve inside the beast is enticing.

It does appear to have a problem with the shutter curtains that I noticed as soon as I bought it that has stopped me from ever using it. Now and than when you cock the shutter and fire it the curtains seem to hang up on one side and close at an angle looking very ugly and when you recock they have a gap between them and still sit on an angle. Then suddenly it comes good and works OK for ten frames or so then does it again! Do you think this is something I will be able to sort out myself? The camera is pretty clean and I would like a working example of this model to go with My Kiev II (Kneb)

I have a fair range of tools and have a mechanical background and wouldn't mind giving it a go ... what do you think?

Cheers ... Keith 🙂
 
Hi Keith,
I have no idea what the problem is. Nevertheless, without film, i would fire 20 times at each speed, to try to see if the problem is associated with a specific speed or with all of them. Another venue is to inspect the small two protrusions at the begining of the lower curtain. Perhaps something is bended there.
A third venue is to purchase from Alex photo goods a parts kiev and replace the whole shutter assembly, something we will be able to do at the ending stages of the training.

The training will consist mainly in being able to dis-assemble the kiev, clean and lubricate the gears, and calibrate the curtains tensioning. In the way we will have to learn the rangefinder fix, since in order to make a real cleaning we must remove the optical parts. It can happen that by simple cleaning and lubrication your shutter will come back to good life.

Another attitude could be to purchase another kiev, for the training, and keeping the bad one meanwhile for parts. Having a parts kiev besides will guarantee you the training one will survive, as well as the Kneb for the day and in case you'll need to open it.

Take into account that the training will not make you into a diplomated repairman but will give you easy access to the Kievs. In that future status having aside a kiev for parts will be a great advantage. And at that status of control over your Kievs you are most likely to use them a lot, and perhaps purchase more of them. The bad one of today will have great value in the future. Always some screw gets lost, or a piece of glass is broken, or we find some bad part needing replacement. So having you invested a minimum amount for that Kiev, you may let it rest in peace until duty calls.

And what about the rangefinder contrast in both cameras you now own? I bet the bad one as a better rangefinder.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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Hi Ruben,

Persistence pays ... I was sitting there with the back off the camera watching what was happening and trying all shutter speeds as you suggested ... and it was still hanging up every now and then, but at no particular speed. Suddenly I noticed the left guide rail for the curtains had a very small bend towards the bottom ... a quick twist of a screwdriver and all is well. It was so damned obvious and I have looked at it so many times before and given up and put it back on the shelf! :bang: 🙂 🙂
 
Congratulations Keith !
I can't imagine a better start.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
alternatve said:
Oh ruben, how you tempt me on the second day my kiev is in my hands... Dare I risk it?

"Dare I risk it?"
As I explained quite in detail here at post #1, it depends on how it works. If you are happy with it, don't risk it.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
ruben said:
"Dare I risk it?"
As I explained quite in detail here at post #1, it depends on how it works. If you are happy with it, don't risk it.

Cheers,
Ruben

As they say, all in the name of progess. I'm in, which bunk do I take?

Regards,
Samuel
 
ruben said:
"Dare I risk it?"
As I explained quite in detail here at post #1, it depends on how it works. If you are happy with it, don't risk it.

Cheers,
Ruben


People, let me further clarify. We aren't just going to obtain a nice single Kiev. We are aiming at controlling the system, so tomorrow we may be able to pick any Kiev, wether a newly purchased one, or one from our closet, and be able to convert it into a charming piece of machinery. We are going far, let's look to the horizon and act accordingly.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
ruben said:
People, let me further clarify. We aren't just going to obtain a nice single Kiev. We are aiming at controlling the system, so tomorrow we may be able to pick any Kiev, wether a newly purchased one, or one from our closet, and be able to convert it into a charming piece of machinery. We are going far, let's look to the horizon and act accordingly.

Cheers,
Ruben

Captain, my Captain

Ruben, I just love the way you write.
 
FrankS said:
Captain, my Captain

Ruben, I just love the way you write.

Thanks, and don't miss my last thread : The Kiev Project - Outline

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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