The M10 and its guts..

The M10 and its guts..

  • Kodak CCD

    Votes: 159 37.3%

  • Japanese CMOS (canon/sony)

    Votes: 142 33.3%

  • Foveon X3 (sigma/kodak)

    Votes: 109 25.6%

  • Japanese Nikon/Sony

    Votes: 16 3.8%
  • Total voters
    426
swoop said:
more satisfied with my M9 than I was with my M8. Short of the high ISO not being the greatest, it's perfect. So when the M10 comes around I don't plan on buying it until the 2nd version whether it be an M10.2 or M10-p is available.
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I agree with you. I don't plan on buying an M10 until an M11 is available and used M10's are half their original cost. Or maybe not at all. 7-8-9-10K camera purchases every few years is just not on my list of priorities any more.
 
Roberto V. said:
You reminded me of a guy that once tried to sell me a camera. He said it was "digital and also took film, it has 2 gigabytes" :p
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Well, there are digital cameras that take film... they may not have a sensor, but they are digital devices... ;)
 
I'd much rather see them work on getting the camera to wake up as fast as any entry-level dslr does instead of the ~1s it takes it today before taking up sensor issues. The sensor is not the highest-priority problem of the M8/M9, in my opinion.

- N.
 
igi said:
Well if the M8 is perfect, there should be no M9 in the first place based on this logic.

I vote for Japanese sensors!;)
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These tongue-in-cheek axioms and counter-counter-counter-arguments remind me of those people who argue for a god by arguing against it: "if G@d doesn't exist, then who wrote the Bible? Gotcha. Well, there you go."

A little embarrassing.
 
Hopefully the M10 has a lifetime warranty for the original owner. Or maybe at least a 5 year warranty.

As for the guts, I love the sensor that the M9 has. Maybe a full frame with less resolution to give better high ISO performance. With internal firmware for mapping of hot pixels.

Or maybe they could just make it a Kodachrome-only camera and bring back the K14 process for the M10 only.

Conjecture is fun!
Phil Forrest
 
Sony has the issues with M8 and M9 licked!!!

Sony has the issues with M8 and M9 licked!!!

I was reading the thread here with the 12mm Heliar on the NEX-5n and the issues that plagued the M8 and M9 have been solved using a different sensor design , micro lenses and software. There is no cyan on the edges, colors are great and the image is sharp from corner to corner. The NEX-7 will be the same. I hear there is a NEX 9 full frame in the works as well. Leica is being beat at its own game for a fraction of the price! If I were them, I would try to re-establish the old Minolta partnership ASAP! Minolta is now Sony. The M10 should be like the M9 but incorperate the advances I see in the NEX 5N and NEX 7. There is no question about it. I own 2 M8 cameras and did not buy an M9 because the M8 and M9 were too close in performance. The M9 is full frame, has slightly better ISO, etc,, but that was it. The NEX 7 will be way ahead of the M9 (except full frame) in many ways (the price is almost for free when you consider what the M9 costs and what the M 10 will likely cost) and will be my next camera.
 
eleskin said:
I was reading the thread here with the 12mm Heliar on the NEX-5n and the issues that plagued the M8 and M9 have been solved using a different sensor design , micro lenses and software. There is no cyan on the edges, colors are great and the image is sharp from corner to corner. The NEX-7 will be the same. I hear there is a NEX 9 full frame in the works as well. Leica is being beat at its own game for a fraction of the price! If I were them, I would try to re-establish the old Minolta partnership ASAP! Minolta is now Sony. The M10 should be like the M9 but incorperate the advances I see in the NEX 5N and NEX 7. There is no question about it. I own 2 M8 cameras and did not buy an M9 because the M8 and M9 were too close in performance. The M9 is full frame, has slightly better ISO, etc,, but that was it. The NEX 7 will be way ahead of the M9 (except full frame) in many ways (the price is almost for free when you consider what the M9 costs and what the M 10 will likely cost) and will be my next camera.
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It's true that Sony seems to be the main innovator at the moment in the digital camera market - they're obviously putting big money and resources into it. I'm glad! Hopefully it'll get the other big companies like Canon to stop sucking their thumbs and start innovating again...
 
First off, I hope the M10 comes out yesterday. Drop those used M9 prices, damnit!

Sony, because quality high ISO is good and digital output ("fidelity") is correctable. Of course, there is a strong argument against it as well. It's a bit harder to justify an M purchase at ~30 times a NEX if you know the sensor is the same. If it's different, one can rationalize by finding things about the sensor that are integral to the artistic process or some such. :p
 
I would hope for CMOS, as I already have a perfectly good CCD camera, but high iso and liveview are useful - on the proviso that Leica carry on making the M9 - the low iso performance really is excellent.

- Steve

- Steve
 
Gabriel M.A. said:
These tongue-in-cheek axioms and counter-counter-counter-arguments remind me of those people who argue for a god by arguing against it: "if G@d doesn't exist, then who wrote the Bible? Gotcha. Well, there you go."

A little embarrassing.
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Well, you've got to take a look first at the logic he stated and the humor behind it... and how I responded with humor as well... an how you killed the fun in our little discussion.

Gosh, Leica is such a ultra-conservative religion:bang:
 
The sensor in the D7000/K5, made full frame and adapted for RF, would be pretty amazing. Better high ISO and dynamic range.

Meanwhile, I will shoot with my M8.

--Peter
 
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