pizzahut88
Well-known
The M8 upgrade does not make sense at all unless its sensor/digital section can be upgraded in the future.
Isn't it meaningless to spend extra on getting a sapphire screen and imroved shutter . . . when the sensor itself becomes outdated in a few years time?
The body, its rangfinder mechanism . . . will never be outdated.
The design is classic . . . it can stay the same for another 50 years.
But there is going to be so much improvement to the sensor,
the move to only offer sensor upgrade would be exactly what every Leica M user needs.
And this simply idea of just upgrading the sensor is perfect.
Because I think Leica's philosophy is this:
'Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.'
Hence which is why the M8 digital menu is so simple . . . and the digital section should be the part that can be ripped out and replaced as sensors improve.
The RF concept is perfect as it is already. Just look at the Leica MP!
With this understanding . . . I am sure Leica will offer us significantly better sensors soon. Let's hope it's full frame. . . . so my 50 will be 50, and my 28 is not a 35.
Isn't it meaningless to spend extra on getting a sapphire screen and imroved shutter . . . when the sensor itself becomes outdated in a few years time?
The body, its rangfinder mechanism . . . will never be outdated.
The design is classic . . . it can stay the same for another 50 years.
But there is going to be so much improvement to the sensor,
the move to only offer sensor upgrade would be exactly what every Leica M user needs.
And this simply idea of just upgrading the sensor is perfect.
Because I think Leica's philosophy is this:
'Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.'
Hence which is why the M8 digital menu is so simple . . . and the digital section should be the part that can be ripped out and replaced as sensors improve.
The RF concept is perfect as it is already. Just look at the Leica MP!
With this understanding . . . I am sure Leica will offer us significantly better sensors soon. Let's hope it's full frame. . . . so my 50 will be 50, and my 28 is not a 35.
jackal2513
richbroadbent
pizzahut88 said:
don't get it then ...
its just a camera, a box that colllects some light here and there
who gives ?
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
I'm glad I don't seem to be losing as much sleep over this as some forum members.
I shattered the screen protector I had on my M8 the other day, no harm to the screen but it did make me a little nervous.
I shattered the screen protector I had on my M8 the other day, no harm to the screen but it did make me a little nervous.
georgef
Well-known
"...50 years of technology development will make any digital camera now made at best a historical curiosity..."
in 50 years, the still image camera will be obsolete, never mind...:0
in 50 years, the still image camera will be obsolete, never mind...:0
raid
Dad Photographer
In 50 years, most of will be dead anyways.
erikhaugsby
killer of threads
I hope I won't be...raid said:
Philippe D.
Cheeeeeese
What do i do today, 20 years later, with my first 1200 bps modem ?
What do i do today, 15 years later, with my 2nd 14000 bps modem ?
What do i do today, 20 years later, with my first 105Mb hard drive ? (very big at that time)
What do i do today with my 10 years old Minolta RD-175 ?
What do i do today with my M8 ? Taking pictures and don't think about 2018 !
What do i do today, 15 years later, with my 2nd 14000 bps modem ?
What do i do today, 20 years later, with my first 105Mb hard drive ? (very big at that time)
What do i do today with my 10 years old Minolta RD-175 ?
What do i do today with my M8 ? Taking pictures and don't think about 2018 !
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photogdave
Shops local
So what's wrong with that?sitemistic said:
A friend of mine recently chose to buy an M8 over a current DSLR specifically so he could pass it on to his son. (Also because he really likes the camera!)
It was a genuine concern for him and luckily Leica makes a product that fits his needs.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Philippe D. said:
I still use my old 2400 bps modem as a doorstop...
sitemistic said:
50 years is a meaningless number in this context; might as well say 50,000 years.
If I'm alive, I will still give a flip.
Yep...buy it today, shoot it today and tomorrow until you get the next one.
Tuolumne
Veteran
I saw on television that in 50 years the machines will have taken over and we will all of us be dead at once. Try shooting that with a camera.
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aad
Not so new now.
Hey, where's my flying car? Sitemistic, I hold YOU responsible.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I think the fact that it's not a pro level camera will give it longevity that may stretch to ten or fifteen years full frame sensor or not! It's a camera for well heeled amatures and will still do very well what it does now in ten years time ... but the DSLR (already way ahead) will have left it far behind in terms of performance!
rsl
Russell
Keith said:
Nikon DSLRs already have left it far behind, and every day its getting behinder and behinder.
Let's face it. The lenses are the thing. The M8 body was obsolete when it came out, and now we know that instead of an M9 body built on lessons learned the hard way we're going to have "perpetual care" for the M8. That will insure that Leica continues to fall farther and farther behind in terms of a reliable "pro" level camera. Unless Leica changes its digital strategy we won't have to wait 50, or even 10 years for Leica to disappear as a camera manufacturer. In the meantime, maybe some other outfit will begin making a serious effort to take advantage of all the beautiful Leica glass that's out there. The lenses can go on for 50 years easily if someone will make a decent body for them.
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cmedin
Well-known
Keith said:
But Keith, don't you know that it'll soon be OBSOLETE and magically the output from it will then become horrible.
And sitemistic, not everybody is a pragmatist; some people just like to care for things and wish them to last whether it makes logical and financial sense or not. Hell, if my great grandpa had saved a working phonograph for me I would not complain about it being obsolete and crappy technology...
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
So, what you're saying is that people who don't have Leicas in this forum are not concerned at all about their great-great grandchildren?sitemistic said:
Ben Z
Veteran
At the time the M8 came out w. 10mp+crop, "pro level" already was 12-16mp + full frame. It didn't seem to stop anyone who had their heart set on an M8, either from buying one or standing up and proclaiming that it outresolves the 16mp Canon.
nrb
Nuno Borges
I was told at Leica, yesterday, that the Leica experiment means one has to use only the latest current gear not to be out. Or not to feel out.
Clark Van Orden
Member
Yea, those Leica's will never last.
infocusf8@earthlink.
Established
Leica Bashers
Leica Bashers
I think the fact that it's not a pro level camera will give it longevity that may stretch to ten or fifteen years full frame sensor or not! It's a camera for well heeled amatures and will still do very well what it does now in ten years time ... but the DSLR (already way ahead) will have left it far behind in terms of performance!
Funny, my M8 manual doesn't say anywhere that the camera is made for a well heeled amateur, as a matter of fact the camera doesn't either it says Made In Germany so I guess that means that anyone who wants to use it for whatever reason-pro or not-can do just that.
Let's face it. The lenses are the thing. The M8 body was obsolete when it came out, and now we know that instead of an M9 body built on lessons learned the hard way we're going to have "perpetual care" for the M8. That will insure that Leica continues to fall farther and farther behind in terms of a reliable "pro" level camera. Unless Leica changes its digital strategy we won't have to wait 50, or even 10 years for Leica to disappear as a camera manufacturer. In the meantime, maybe some other outfit will begin making a serious effort to take advantage of all the beautiful Leica glass that's out there. The lenses can go on for 50 years easily if someone will make a decent body for them.
Obsolete compared to what? The newest whiz bang, over menued, caught- up- in- the- mega- pixel- race- there's already a replacement for my DSLR that I just bought yesterday market? Thank you Leica for continuing to make something that lasts. The rangefinder design is not obsolete, nor behind, it is what it is.
People who don't own Leica's seem relatively unconcerned that their gear won't be useful 50 years from now.
You don't need to be concerned when your new DSLR camera will be replaced in six months? Your DSLR's should come stamped "obsolete" from the factory.
Let's all face reality here two more degrees temperature rise and we'll all be using them for something they weren't designed for, so why don't you Leica bashers understand that people buy cameras for different reasons, and because their reasons don't meet your criteria for what a camera is supposed to do, it isn't open to your criticism.
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I think the fact that it's not a pro level camera will give it longevity that may stretch to ten or fifteen years full frame sensor or not! It's a camera for well heeled amatures and will still do very well what it does now in ten years time ... but the DSLR (already way ahead) will have left it far behind in terms of performance!
Funny, my M8 manual doesn't say anywhere that the camera is made for a well heeled amateur, as a matter of fact the camera doesn't either it says Made In Germany so I guess that means that anyone who wants to use it for whatever reason-pro or not-can do just that.
Let's face it. The lenses are the thing. The M8 body was obsolete when it came out, and now we know that instead of an M9 body built on lessons learned the hard way we're going to have "perpetual care" for the M8. That will insure that Leica continues to fall farther and farther behind in terms of a reliable "pro" level camera. Unless Leica changes its digital strategy we won't have to wait 50, or even 10 years for Leica to disappear as a camera manufacturer. In the meantime, maybe some other outfit will begin making a serious effort to take advantage of all the beautiful Leica glass that's out there. The lenses can go on for 50 years easily if someone will make a decent body for them.
Obsolete compared to what? The newest whiz bang, over menued, caught- up- in- the- mega- pixel- race- there's already a replacement for my DSLR that I just bought yesterday market? Thank you Leica for continuing to make something that lasts. The rangefinder design is not obsolete, nor behind, it is what it is.
People who don't own Leica's seem relatively unconcerned that their gear won't be useful 50 years from now.
You don't need to be concerned when your new DSLR camera will be replaced in six months? Your DSLR's should come stamped "obsolete" from the factory.
Let's all face reality here two more degrees temperature rise and we'll all be using them for something they weren't designed for, so why don't you Leica bashers understand that people buy cameras for different reasons, and because their reasons don't meet your criteria for what a camera is supposed to do, it isn't open to your criticism.
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