The Murder of B&W
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mfogiel
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I would be interested, for the sake of comparison, to see a photo, that you would consider as a technically proficient B&W image, so that the whole thread could have a reference point, otherwise the discussion could be useless.
I would be interested, for the sake of comparison, to see a photo, that you would consider as a technically proficient B&W image, so that the whole thread could have a reference point, otherwise the discussion could be useless.
Jan Pedersen
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Just to annoy you I'll post some more of the "modern" B&W film garbage. Yes, I know the film is considered garbage and also it's hated by many people in the age of digital convenience. Thus I'm deeply sorry for the inconvenience by posting a simple film scan...
Yes, how dare you showing an image with delicate whites and well defined shadow details in the middle of this discussion 🙄
L Collins
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Iwould argue with the assumption that B&W images are "supposed" to look like anything in particular.
ferider
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Well, it turns out to be very tricky to share anything online without some form of scanning 🙂. And sometimes, grey in grey might be just fine.
Note that this photo was not possible 20 years ago. And neither could this one have been taken:
Cheers,
Roland.
Note that this photo was not possible 20 years ago. And neither could this one have been taken:
Cheers,
Roland.
tunalegs
Pretended Artist
There is more than one way to print a photo, don't ya know?
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upceci
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This picture's main issue is the horizon which is right in the middle and at the very center a tree, the image thus divided by four, a big no in any "art" because the viewers eye gets confused without any point of reference.
OurManInTangier
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1. There's nothing quite like a generalization that hasn't been recognised as just that, a generalization. It's akin to me moaning about TV becoming nothing but 'Reality' shows when 'back in my day' we had good drama and documentaries. The fact is we still do, but with more channels you have to sift through things that others like which you may not before you find something you deem worthy.
2. I don't believe it did.
P.S. Out of curiosity, which photographers do you think made excellent black and white images? Ansel Adams? Robert Frank?
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upceci
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Run an auto contrast on the first image in any photo editing software and see the difference. Right now the image looks like it has incorrect gamma.
The second image needs midtone contrast to differentiate between the foreground and background, there is no sense of space even though its a landscape shot of a huge area.
The second image needs midtone contrast to differentiate between the foreground and background, there is no sense of space even though its a landscape shot of a huge area.
Well, it turns out to be very tricky to share anything online without some form of scanning 🙂. And sometimes, grey in grey might be just fine.
Note that this photo was not possible 20 years ago. And neither could this one have been taken:
Cheers,
Roland.
tjh
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Just to annoy you I'll post some more of the "modern" B&W film garbage. Yes, I know the film is considered garbage and also it's hated by many people in the age of digital convenience. Thus I'm deeply sorry for the inconvenience by posting a simple film scan...
I wish my garbage looked half as good.
DominikDUK
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I hope you are joking.
The eyes are led into the middle of the image, not only by the subject but also by difference of the light. The viewer is forced to concentrate on the middle of the image. This print is in fact a very good example of good composition in my opinion that is.
Dominik
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upceci
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I'm simply a disgruntled B&W fan that has been totally disappointed with anything out there. What I need is some good B&W images to make me feel that there is hope for B&W. I'm not going to get into silly arguments so keep the sarcasm and eyerolling for other topics.
OurManInTangier
An Undesirable
Whereas my eye/brain loves this image and the stimulation that comes from such blatant rule breaking. This, of course, is no more than opinion from us both:angel:
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Yeah, I was like, totally confused by that image. Head spinning. Feel dizzy. Disoriented. Might hurl. Can't navigate. Soooooo confused.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
That is not the question. The question is what is the right way. The right way is best. Tell us what is the right way.
user237428934
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Enlighten us. Post examples.
OurManInTangier
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dave lackey
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Just to annoy you I'll post some more of the "modern" B&W film garbage. Yes, I know the film is considered garbage and also it's hated by many people in the age of digital convenience. Thus I'm deeply sorry for the inconvenience by posting a simple film scan...
Heh, my friend, the title is appropriate for this post, IMO.:angel: When I first read the original post, I thought about you and then you post a wonderful black and white film scan! Bravo...once again.😉
hipsterdufus
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I don't know if I could find a better example of trolling...
Convince yourself that good black & white still exists, OP. It's not our job.
Convince yourself that good black & white still exists, OP. It's not our job.
Bill Clark
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That's all I use film cameras for is B&W. Still have the analog darkroom set up in a bathroom. Having a room made just for the darkroom. It will be the first ever for me!
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