The "New Rangefinder"

Samouraï said:
What would some of these kids do if they were given a roll of 135 and a completely manual body? Knowing how and why an artist's tool works the way it does matters.
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The same thing that kids did when manual cameras and rolls of film were the norm... they'd learn to use it. I did it, my friends did it... why couldn't people today do it? Oh yeah, they do.

Instagram has nothing to do with photography as an art...it is socializing.

Is a 3D printed sculpture produced by a 3D scan as impressive as one chiseled from marble by a sculptor? That's an exaggerated example, but I think you can understand what I'm trying to say. Composition is well and good--that's the product, but the means of creation is vitally important as well.
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Well, that depends on the end result. If the one chiseled from marble sucks, it sucks... marble and a chisle do not make it good work. I'm not opposed to technology though.

I still don't understand why you think that automation means you don't know what you are doing. I use automation in a way that I still control what shutter speed and f stop I want to use.
 
Aristophanes said:
Except for the part which is an actual photograph :p.
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true, but it is photography used for social purposes... they aren't concerned with the art of it for the most part. I have no issue with it. Photography is a language that has many purposes.
 
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I haven´t made your reasearch but sure i can recognise that

"i´ve tested my A7 with the most expensive ultralux leica lens" kind of thread empires here in RFF.

So my question would be...are still RF´s users here???

Because for sure those alternativs you mentioned on your post are not the new RF´s...

Rángefinders are those cameras that the vast majority of rff users don´t know how to use :D
 
jsrockit said:
The same thing that kids did when manual cameras and rolls of film were the norm... they'd learn to use it. I did it, my friends did it... why couldn't people today do it? Oh yeah, they do.

Instagram has nothing to do with photography as an art...it is socializing.



Well, that depends on the end result. If the one chiseled from marble sucks, it sucks... marble and a chisle do not make it good work. I'm not opposed to technology though.

I still don't understand why you think that automation means you don't know what you are doing. I use automation in a way that I still control what shutter speed and f stop I want to use.
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I wish you wouldn't cherry pick sentences from my post, because I answered just that. Even explicitly stated that automation isn't an evil. If you want to have a conversation, I'd love to engage in a discourse. I'm only stating my opinions and trying to form better ones.

This is how I ended my previous post:
Samouraï said:
We might be getting at different ideas. Automation isn't an evil. I just think it matters that an artist knows the how and why. Otherwise, would a painter who is great at composition and visualizing space be great if he didn't know how to paint? No, it requires practiced talent. Sometimes photography is just "press a button," and I think it should be held to a higher standard. Technology is reducing the art. Photography should be more than instinct.
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Now, I've been thinking that it's not so much technology that is reducing the craft. Lens designs and camera designs and focusing systems and film emulsions are all the results of some very impressive engineering and technology. Photography is reliant on talented designers. It's a specific kind of consumer-focused technology that is changing all kinds of art and media (and in my opinion, generally for the worse--the idea that technical ability is separate from what makes art, "art").
 
Monochrom said:
I haven´t made your reasearch but sure i can recognise that

"i´ve tested my A7 with the most expensive ultralux leica lens" kind of thread empires here in RFF.

So my question would be...are still RF´s users here???

Because for sure those alternativs you mentioned on your post are not the new RF´s...

Rángefinders are those cameras that the vast majority of rff users don´t know how to use :D
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I know you are just trying to get a reaction but to be honest I think there's a bit of preciousness here.

I came to RFF as part of an exploration of camera styles. I learned photography on full manual SLRs. I wanted to try different cameras and bought a view camera, MF folder and a FED 2. From reading here I bought and enjoyed a Bessa R. I began posting and taking an interest. I have bought a Leica iii, a Minolta CLE, a Konica Hexar and an Ensign Auto-range since then. I have bought something in the order of $3K of lenses for the RFs. I like RF photography but I'm not a fan of film processing. I haven't got a "workflow" I'm happy with. So I also shoot digital. This means I now have something to say about NEX cameras.

Most people on RFF have been using Leicas from before I was born. Ok, not most but many. There is very little they don't know and their RF posts are normally answers to noob questions. There are fewer noob questions now that film RFs are no longer the hip new thing and digital RFs remain so expensive.

So the forum has drifted to speak about more general topics including documentary style photography and cameras that can use RF lenses but that are not themselves RF cameras.

Such is life.

If someone, anyone, brings out a 16MP APS-C or FF RF for under $3K you will see the board light up with pure RF traffic.
 
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