Mackinaw
Think Different
From their FB page. A box of 35mm Ferrania P30 coated July, 2019. For now, only sold in Italy. Excuse the poor FB translation.
Jim b.
Jim b.
retinax
Well-known
I congratulte the people at Ferrania and everyone who has been waiting for this. I like the packaging. Won't be using the film anytime soon on my current budget.
Does anyone know if L'avventura was shot on the original P30? That is beautiful.
Does anyone know if L'avventura was shot on the original P30? That is beautiful.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Sweet.....
zuiko85
Veteran
I'm sure the 5.5K backers who lost their money in this venture are just 'thrilled' at the news.
Too bad and too sad that Kickstarter creators answer to no one for their actions, for all practical purposes, free start up capital for any pie in the sky project you can think up.
Too bad and too sad that Kickstarter creators answer to no one for their actions, for all practical purposes, free start up capital for any pie in the sky project you can think up.
DanskDynamit
Well-known
I think Ferrania just deleted the post on facebook, I can't see it.
I'm a backer, I cant wait for Ferrania to let us (backers) to exchange our non-existing rewards for this stuff. At least we will get something after so many years (I guess).
I think they should have honour their backers and offer P30 to us BEFORE selling it in Italy.
I will never back anything else on kickstarter or any other crowdfunding platform.
I'm a backer, I cant wait for Ferrania to let us (backers) to exchange our non-existing rewards for this stuff. At least we will get something after so many years (I guess).
I think they should have honour their backers and offer P30 to us BEFORE selling it in Italy.
I will never back anything else on kickstarter or any other crowdfunding platform.
Mackinaw
Think Different
They did, years ago. I took advantage and stocked up on P30. Love the stuff and I eagerly await the 120 version.
Jim B.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
While Ferrania film has been a bit of a disappointment, I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. Any startup/new venture is a risky thing. By and large, 18 out of 20 efforts I've backed have produced the products they promised, and 12 of those have been good/useful and worth the money.
I don't put money into a Kickstarter without expecting a good bit of waiting and a high risk of failure. It's not a store. It's a way for people to raise the funding to try to realize an idea. Sometimes they fail, that's all. I've failed on various projects over time myself (not that I've ever used Kickstarter to fund them): it's never fun to give up, but sometimes you just have to.
I still have five rolls of P30 to shoot. I hope that one day Ferrania will get their act together and produce the films they are trying to achieve. But it's a huge undertaking...
G
I don't put money into a Kickstarter without expecting a good bit of waiting and a high risk of failure. It's not a store. It's a way for people to raise the funding to try to realize an idea. Sometimes they fail, that's all. I've failed on various projects over time myself (not that I've ever used Kickstarter to fund them): it's never fun to give up, but sometimes you just have to.
I still have five rolls of P30 to shoot. I hope that one day Ferrania will get their act together and produce the films they are trying to achieve. But it's a huge undertaking...
G
DanskDynamit
Well-known
what they have offered back then was an "alpha" version of P30 made from an old acetate base with refurbished chemicals from "Ferrania Technologies" (the post describing this was deleted by Ferrania...). They also said they would offer it again in 2018 which didn't happen.
I'm not shooting slides anymore so I would be happy to get some P30 instead.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
I was pretty disappointed with P30. It was clearly not suitable for wet printing (in any traditional sense) without specialized and fussy development. Would love to try the slides, but I’m done experimenting with half-assed black and white films. Not worth the time or hassles.
jawarden
Well-known
I think these first shipments should have been offered to backers as the long awaited "rewards" for Kickstarting the company. It's not the slide film that Ferrania and backers were after, but it's something, and should be offered to the backers asap.
Mackinaw
Think Different
Ferrania just published a video update on their website. It's about five minutes long. Very informative, and answers a lot of questions original Kickstarter supporters will have.
https://www.filmferrania.it/news-articles/2019/kickstarter-qa
Jim B.
https://www.filmferrania.it/news-articles/2019/kickstarter-qa
Jim B.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
https://www.filmferrania.com/
P30 is now on sale at the above link and temporarily shipping to USA and Canada only, as of, I think, yesterday.
Some may be interested, some are not. Probably not necessary to once again post for the tenth time that you won’t be buying it because it’s a. Horrible or b. Filmferrania swindled you out of your reward, possibly your pension, or c. it’s too expensive.
It’s film. Some likes it some hates it. If you likes it, you can get up to ten rolls today “while supplies last” as they say on the television. Unlike the stuff on tv, this supply likely won’t last long if past experience is any guide.
I got another five rolls as I am one of those benighted souls who really likes it just the way it is.
P30 is now on sale at the above link and temporarily shipping to USA and Canada only, as of, I think, yesterday.
Some may be interested, some are not. Probably not necessary to once again post for the tenth time that you won’t be buying it because it’s a. Horrible or b. Filmferrania swindled you out of your reward, possibly your pension, or c. it’s too expensive.
It’s film. Some likes it some hates it. If you likes it, you can get up to ten rolls today “while supplies last” as they say on the television. Unlike the stuff on tv, this supply likely won’t last long if past experience is any guide.
I got another five rolls as I am one of those benighted souls who really likes it just the way it is.
Mackinaw
Think Different
I read about this yesterday. I was gifted some Ferrania P30 awhile back so have a decent supply in my freezer. I'm just glad Ferrania seems to have overcome their production issues.
Jim B.
Jim B.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Ferrania is nothing but arrested development. Still.
traveler_101
American abroad
Excuse my ignorance - but no one on this thread has explained what P-30 is. I tried to order some film from them a year ago - I think - and the website sent me around in circles.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
What was wrong with it that made it unsuitable for wet printing? Did it look good when scanned with a film scanner, but not when printed in the darkroom?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
If I'm not mistaken, emulsion has defects. Maskable in PS.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
I am not capable of wet printing, so I use a hybrid workflow out of necessity, but Bob, and Marty, and others, seem to be correct about the difficulties of wet printing the Alpha version, at least. They know what they are talking about so I take them at their word.
Issues that may be present, when attempting to shine a light through a negative and get a nice result on any grade of paper, those issues are pretty much non-issues when scanning since it is easy to manipulate the file, especially by using the multi-exposure scan setting.
What you can be left with, in a hybrid workflow, is a file exhibiting extremely fine grain, high resolution, and really nice, smooth "creamy" midtones and highlights, without significant problems with blocked shadows, though some may fairly dispute my use of the word "significant" here.
It's not suitable for most people as the only film they would ever use as it is going to have a certain "look". If that's your style, you have found your film. And, no, you can't just as easily get the same look with another film, no matter how you manipulate it, as far as I have seen at any rate.
Yes, expose it at 80, and work with that file. Ferrania is right about that. If you have found it absolutely necessary to expose it at 64, 50, or 25 as some have said, I would suggest you would get nicer results exposing at box speed, and approaching scanning and post processing differently. YMMV, but I have personally found that that approach is optimal, at least for the results I want. Try it again at 80, and change some other variables, and I think you might be happier in the long run.
It's a contentious film, no doubt about that.
Supposedly some of the "issues" that people had with the Alpha test version have been addressed in the final product. We'll see.
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
There were some batches that went out with scratches, and blotches, apparently, though every early box I got was perfect in that regard. Supposedly, all that has been addressed in the production version. Time will tell.
Mackinaw
Think Different
Chris, P30 seems to have two personalities. If you wet print, the inherently high contrast of the film will be very challenging. If you scan, depending on your scanner and scanning software, you can tease tons of detail out of the shadows and highlights. I only wet print 4x5, and scan all of 35mm or 120 negs. I use Silverfast and an Epson V800. It took me awhile, but I finally found the right scan settings and have no problem turning out excellent P30 scans and prints.
Jim B.