martin s
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My mind is blown, this was even better than Bob Ross.
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jack palmer
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Some people create "crap" with sand, some just do it verbally.
I thought it was pretty good.
Art:the process of deliberatly arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. Works for me
I thought it was pretty good.Art:the process of deliberatly arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. Works for me
So it's not crap because it was shown in the context of "Ukraine's Got Talent"? I don't know about the Ukrainian version but usually these talent shows are pretty crappy to begin with
Anyways, I do get your point about it being entertainment and not art and I guess it is entertaining to a certain degree. But the problem is that the novelty factor wears off pretty quickly and after that it's just an old party trick.
I'm not sure that she's pretty amazing but she surely is pretty. (And yes, I'm aware of the misogynistic nature of reducing a woman who wants to be recognized for her skill to her looks.)
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zeezea
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Thanks.
Thanks.
Thanks for the link Keith. I had seen this a while back and was astonished at her work. This time I`ll bookmark it.
Regards,
"crap lover", Al
Thanks.
Thanks for the link Keith. I had seen this a while back and was astonished at her work. This time I`ll bookmark it.
Regards,
"crap lover", Al
bmattock
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I think that may be the point. From what I could see, it was the performance, more so than the 'art' of the sand painting itself, that constituted the artfulness of it. And whether or not it would be interpreted as 'art' by critics, I don't care much. I like it, and I'm the only authority I consult when deciding whether I consider it 'art' or not.
Andy Kibber
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"But is it art????"
Bill, I take the opposite approach. I'm happy to let the creator say whether it's art or not. I just get to decide whether I like it or not, whatever it is.
Bill, I take the opposite approach. I'm happy to let the creator say whether it's art or not. I just get to decide whether I like it or not, whatever it is.
bmattock
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"But is it art????"
Bill, I take the opposite approach. I'm happy to let the creator say whether it's art or not. I just get to decide whether I like it or not, whatever it is.
No objection here. I like what I like, regardless of what others call it. I just happen to consider what I like (in terms of 'arty' stuff) as 'art'. I don't mind if others don't think it is art, that's fine. So I suspect we have the same outlook here.
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Roberto
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I guess I'm just one of the proletariat. I'm impressed by pavement painters, too.
Second that! Proletariat rulez
Jamie123
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Some people create "crap" with sand, some just do it verbally.
Art:the process of deliberatly arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. Works for me
Are you saying I'm verbally creating crap because I don't like this woman's work? How nice of you. Listen, I don't mind if other people like it, all I'm saying is that we shouldn't confuse skill with quality. On "Germany's Got Talent" there was a guy who farts melodies (I'll spare you the youtube link). I'm sure this requires a lot of skill but it still stinks.
As for your definition of art, I think it's vastly overinclusive. You'd have to include advertising, cooking, cursing, flattering or offending, etc. etc. Pretty much anything that involves deliberate human interaction.
jack palmer
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I'm saying to call what she does "crap" is a harsh and immature statement that is not unreasonable coming from a 25 year old with an obvious high regard for his ability define art. I spent six years at one of the finest Art colleges in the U.S. (MICA) and in my humble opinion , it's not "crap"
rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
Thanks, Keith for sharing that link!
Impressive and while the story didn't carry the emotional content for me that it obviously did for the audience, I could see that it was pretty powerful.
Kitschy, perhaps, but very enjoyable.
Rob
Impressive and while the story didn't carry the emotional content for me that it obviously did for the audience, I could see that it was pretty powerful.
Kitschy, perhaps, but very enjoyable.
Rob
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One of several definitions of art is that something seen or heard evokes an emotion, be it joy, despair, compassion, fear, horror, etc. and that the product was created for that purpose. By that standard it is art.
YMMV, and so may your perception of 'art'.
Thanks for the link Keith, my whole family watched it and even though my Ukranian is non-existent and we do not know the context of the depicted story, we were all moved by it.
CK Dexter Haven
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"Pavement painters" ARE artists. Illustrators ARE artists. I don't think you get more points for being famous and having done it on a piece of canvas.
A pastiche of styles? Which 'great' artist DIDN'T borrow or steal? "Good artists borrow, great artists steal." You can call anything "derivative" and not be wholly wrong. I'm not sure what the point is in diminishing this. We're participants in a forum that revolves around pushing a button.
Whatever. I'm impressed. Especially by just the gift and ability to see and create so immediately and intuitively with negative and positive space. With sand. And, the transitions.
Jamie123
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In no way I claimed that I could define art. I'm a philosophy major with a strong interest in philosophical aesthetics and the philosophy of art. The problem with defining art is that most definitions are either overinclusive or, when you try to narrow it down, they are exclusive of things that are commonly regarded as art. Personally, I would lean towards a form of the institutional theory of art but the problem is that it's somewhat circular.
In regards to the woman's work, I didn't say that what she does was or wasn't art. All I said was if I apply my personal standard of what is good and what is bad in regards to art, I think it's crap. If, however, I look at it as entertainment I may concede that it's decent entertainment. Equally, a pornographic movie might be crap from a cinematographic point of view but decent from the point of view of someone who is seeking sexual arousal.
And as for my comment being harsh. It's not. It would be harsh if I said it to her face. All I did was give my opinion on a youtube video of a franchise tv show which I think is not exactly the apex of culural entertainment. But again, that's just my opinion. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.
F**k you!
Now that was immature.
leica M2 fan
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Keith, thanks for the link. Her work is amazing and beautiful. Thanks again.
jack palmer
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Who was it that said; It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt?
QUOTE=Jamie123;1241345]In no way I claimed that I could define art. I'm a philosophy major with a strong interest in philosophical aesthetics and the philosophy of art. The problem with defining art is that most definitions are either overinclusive or, when you try to narrow it down, they are exclusive of things that are commonly regarded as art. Personally, I would lean towards a form of the institutional theory of art but the problem is that it's somewhat circular.
In regards to the woman's work, I didn't say that what she does was or wasn't art. All I said was if I apply my personal standard of what is good and what is bad in regards to art, I think it's crap. If, however, I look at it as entertainment I may concede that it's decent entertainment. Equally, a pornographic movie might be crap from a cinematographic point of view but decent from the point of view of someone who is seeking sexual arousal.
And as for my comment being harsh. It's not. It would be harsh if I said it to her face. All I did was give my opinion on a youtube video of a franchise tv show which I think is not exactly the apex of culural entertainment. But again, that's just my opinion. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.
F**k you!
Now that was immature.[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=Jamie123;1241345]In no way I claimed that I could define art. I'm a philosophy major with a strong interest in philosophical aesthetics and the philosophy of art. The problem with defining art is that most definitions are either overinclusive or, when you try to narrow it down, they are exclusive of things that are commonly regarded as art. Personally, I would lean towards a form of the institutional theory of art but the problem is that it's somewhat circular.
In regards to the woman's work, I didn't say that what she does was or wasn't art. All I said was if I apply my personal standard of what is good and what is bad in regards to art, I think it's crap. If, however, I look at it as entertainment I may concede that it's decent entertainment. Equally, a pornographic movie might be crap from a cinematographic point of view but decent from the point of view of someone who is seeking sexual arousal.
And as for my comment being harsh. It's not. It would be harsh if I said it to her face. All I did was give my opinion on a youtube video of a franchise tv show which I think is not exactly the apex of culural entertainment. But again, that's just my opinion. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.
F**k you!
Now that was immature.[/QUOTE]
Ducky
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By this definition, Jamie's comment was 'art' cuz it caused some emotional responses.:bang:
I liked the you tube clip.
Sparrow
Veteran
do you put other transient stuff in that category? dance, music, theatre and the like, not art?
I think it is
tcline
Member
The trasience of the pieces are what makes them. Why because something is impermeant does it become any less? Check out "Rivers and Tides" on Andy Goldsworthy.
The preservation is in the documentation, the performance, the action itself, the piece need not exist at any point and time, not even during. If she preserved them I feel they would simply become very watered down,baseless, and border on kitsch.
But to each his own I suppose.
Tuolumne
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Pure kitsch. I could barely stand it for half the time.
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Jamie123
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Well you wanted immature so I gave you immature
But no offence meant, really. It's all in good humour.
But no offence meant, really. It's all in good humour.
[/QUOTE]Who was it that said; It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt?
QUOTE=Jamie123;1241345]In no way I claimed that I could define art. I'm a philosophy major with a strong interest in philosophical aesthetics and the philosophy of art. The problem with defining art is that most definitions are either overinclusive or, when you try to narrow it down, they are exclusive of things that are commonly regarded as art. Personally, I would lean towards a form of the institutional theory of art but the problem is that it's somewhat circular.
In regards to the woman's work, I didn't say that what she does was or wasn't art. All I said was if I apply my personal standard of what is good and what is bad in regards to art, I think it's crap. If, however, I look at it as entertainment I may concede that it's decent entertainment. Equally, a pornographic movie might be crap from a cinematographic point of view but decent from the point of view of someone who is seeking sexual arousal.
And as for my comment being harsh. It's not. It would be harsh if I said it to her face. All I did was give my opinion on a youtube video of a franchise tv show which I think is not exactly the apex of culural entertainment. But again, that's just my opinion. Does that make me immature? I don't think so.
F**k you!
Now that was immature.