airfrogusmc
Veteran
... that implies he was working to some prior knowledge, surely you can't be suggesting that?
Yes of course. He is very aware of how he sees and wanted his work to reflect his vision. Many at the time, like happens a lot with great work that doesn't follow, slammed his work because it didn't follow the preconceived ideas up until that point.
I'll post this again because that point is discussed in this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHtRZBDOgag
35photo
Well-known
Sorry but there is no right or wrong way to make a photograph...
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Sorry but there is no right or wrong way to make a photograph...
Agree....
Some do think though that there is only on way to do it. Their way and everything else is therefore not valid.
Hsg
who dares wins
In my view to compare Winogrand to Robert Frank is like comparing Dan Brown to Umberto Eco.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
I think a lot of what Winogrand said and did is valid in a street photography discussion or no? I think you've even brought him up in several threads? I also bring up Frank, Davidson, Danny Lyons, Meyerowitz and others depending on what the point is.
hlockwood
Well-known
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHqPLIhCwE
After watching this video I feel challenged... I'd never dare to photograph inside a bus, but he has no fear...
It's not that difficult:

HFL
Sparrow
Veteran
Not my problem. Like all art photography was/is in constant state of growth and flux and again it's not only my opinion of what was/is important.(history shows us) Frank, like it or not, was important and again you keep shifting the debate.
.. no your's is really just another opinion, sorry
Sparrow
Veteran
It's not that difficult:
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HFL
... did you notice how distracting missing the hands off is?
Ranchu
Veteran
Yes. Error. Also, taking pictures of a nice lady sitiing reading is not all that hard, is it?
DNG
Film Friendly
Well, the first pages where an interesting interaction about the video...
Now, it's just personal......and boring and childish....
I came too late to add anything about the original discussion,
it will now just get lost in the quibbling that has almost more pages than the original discussion.
I am not better than any, just late to this thread to contribute anything to the original discussion.
Now, it's just personal......and boring and childish....
I came too late to add anything about the original discussion,
it will now just get lost in the quibbling that has almost more pages than the original discussion.
I am not better than any, just late to this thread to contribute anything to the original discussion.
Cameron
seasick, yet still docked
Well, the first pages where an interesting interaction about the video...
Now, it's just personal......and boring and childish....
I came too late to add anything about the original discussion,
it will now just get lost in the quibbling that has almost more pages than the original discussion.
I am not better than any, just late to this thread to contribute anything to the original discussion.
Quite unfortunate. Could have been an interesting discussion, and looked like it was heading that way. Seems like anytime someone says something that someone else may disagree with, it gets nitpicked to death.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Quite unfortunate. Could have been an interesting discussion, and looked like it was heading that way. Seems like anytime someone says something that someone else may disagree with, it gets nitpicked to death.
Still can be an interesting discussion if it can ever get back to topic.
I think HSG has made some interesting observations as well as bringing up another thought provoking subject.
HSG have you ever seen Davidson's book Subway? Talk about up close and personal. He was influenced by a subway body of work Walker Evans did.
https://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID=2K7O3RJSJ42A
hlockwood
Well-known
... did you notice how distracting missing the hands off is?
No, I didn't notice. And I thank you for that critique.
HFL
MickH
Well-known
She appears to be fiddling just like Robert F. I doubt you'd catch her photographing on a bus.

Sparrow
Veteran
No, I didn't notice. And I thank you for that critique.
HFL
... sorry, just jumped out at me, not a criticism ... it's just the completion effect, nice photo though
Sparrow
Veteran
She appears to be fiddling just like Robert F. I doubt you'd catch her photographing on a bus.
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... oi! ... I'm royalty round here, I'll have you know
kbg32
neo-romanticist
I had no idea the Brits invented Modenism. I thought it was the French.
Sparrow
Veteran
I had no idea the Brits invented Modenism. I thought it was the French.
Picasso? Hofmann? Hoyland and the like you mean
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Picasso? Hofmann? Hoyland and the like you mean![]()
Depends upon the genre of art. Cézanne, Rilke, Schoenberg, Kandinsky and Picasso. And oh yes Balzac.
Have you ever read, "A Fable of Modern Art", by Dore Ashton? The book is based upon Balzac's story, "The Unknown Masterpiece". I, if that matter's to you, being both an American and a New Yorker, a brilliant little book that links the beginnings of modernism.
Sparrow
Veteran
Depends upon the genre of art. Cézanne, Rilke, Schoenberg, Kandinsky and Picasso. And oh yes Balzac.
Have you ever read, "A Fable of Modern Art", by Dore Ashton? The book is based upon Balzac's story, "The Unknown Masterpiece". I, if that matter's to you, being both an American and a New Yorker, a brilliant little book that links the beginnings of modernism.
.. no sorry, I wrote a dissertation on Spencer once, and did a lot of work on the Glasgow Boys at one time ... I was art school so we didn't read much literature
... but then I do know your list has a few frenchmen in it
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