jlw
Rangefinder camera pedant
CK Dexter Haven said:
Hey, Dexter, do you guys have any job openings in the Canon USA PR department?
Good-natured questionings of Jorge's sanity in bailing out of RF are certainly apropos given that this is RFF... but to use that as an excuse to start touting your favorite DSLR system (especially on such vague grounds as "world-classness") seems out of bounds. It's a bit like having a friend tell you he's about to shoot himself, and trying to persuade him to jump off a cliff instead.
PS -- Where's my wandering parakeet?
CK Dexter Haven
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JLW -
What's the matter with you? I'm a "troll?" Can you read?
1. Where did i question Jorge's sanity? Did i not say that i SHARE Jorge's situation, in also "bailing out of RF?"
2. An "excuse to tout my DSLR system": my 'suggestion' to Jorge came simply in response to HIS indication that he was leaning toward a Nikon DSLR system. You consider it 'bad form' to suggest an alternative, and then to provide substantiation ("versatility in adaptable lens mounts")?
3. "Vague grounds as 'world-classness'" - I apologize. Recognizing that this IS a rangefinder forum, i didn't feel it was appropriate to go into too much detail in this area. Should you require it, next time i will post a bevy of links to independent reviews and MTF charts.
4. Moving to digital SLRs is nothing akin to "Jumping off a cliff." More like deciding to sell a Jaguar to buy a Toyota. And, i recommended a Honda instead. Out of bounds?
5. Didn't i also advise him to KEEP an MP+50Lux-ASPH? Didn't i also name your precious Leica as the 'best lens?' Not enough superlatives for you? I apologize again. The 50mm Summilux-ASPH is beyond world class. Are you cool now?
What's the matter with you? I'm a "troll?" Can you read?
1. Where did i question Jorge's sanity? Did i not say that i SHARE Jorge's situation, in also "bailing out of RF?"
2. An "excuse to tout my DSLR system": my 'suggestion' to Jorge came simply in response to HIS indication that he was leaning toward a Nikon DSLR system. You consider it 'bad form' to suggest an alternative, and then to provide substantiation ("versatility in adaptable lens mounts")?
3. "Vague grounds as 'world-classness'" - I apologize. Recognizing that this IS a rangefinder forum, i didn't feel it was appropriate to go into too much detail in this area. Should you require it, next time i will post a bevy of links to independent reviews and MTF charts.
4. Moving to digital SLRs is nothing akin to "Jumping off a cliff." More like deciding to sell a Jaguar to buy a Toyota. And, i recommended a Honda instead. Out of bounds?
5. Didn't i also advise him to KEEP an MP+50Lux-ASPH? Didn't i also name your precious Leica as the 'best lens?' Not enough superlatives for you? I apologize again. The 50mm Summilux-ASPH is beyond world class. Are you cool now?
spersky
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If you want to talkabout vaugeness in descriptives of a camera system. I would say the Leica fans are at most to blame: The best, astounding, better than medium format (which is my favorite), Blows Nikon and Canon out the water, Amazing resolution, a strange glow that is magical. The superlative go on and on, and you have the nerve to berate someone for saying Canon L glass is world class? It is by the way.
ywenz
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spersky said:
LOL Tru dat! You forgot "Bokeh King"
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HuubL
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Jorge Torralba said:
you call that a friend...
PetarDima
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this photo is called : '' Rf solution ''
sorry Jorge, I can't understand you - why are you give up ?
sorry Jorge, I can't understand you - why are you give up ?
x-ray
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shenkerian said:
I have each of these lenses too and use them on my 1DsII system for my commercial work. It not rubbish that they are in a class all their own. They are spectacular lenses second to none. I know how they perform compared to Nikon and Leica. Previously shot Nikon in both film and digital commercially for about thirty five years. I still shoot Nikons for film but only because i'm very comfortable with my F and F2's and love the selection of glass. I have shot M leicas commercially for nearly forty years and know both systems forward and backward. I do have one eos film body to take advantage of the spectacular L lenese that I own. I shoot for some of the largest and toughest clients to keep happy in the world. I woud'nt risk my career on inferior equipment and I don't. The canon primes are 1st class in every respect. All of the above lenses are super performers plus the 200 1.8, 300 2.8, 400 2.8 and 600 f4. Their zooms are superb too with the 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 and f4 being especially good.
haagen_dazs
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wow
1 day and 23 pages plus ...WOW
hmm why?
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1 day and 23 pages plus ...WOW
hmm why?
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HAnkg
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I have the Canon 35/1.4 and 135/2 -the 135/2 is one of my favorite lens in any format. Sharpness, smooth transition to beautiful OOF areas - a singular lens.
venchka
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Reason to buy a Canon 5D
Reason to buy a Canon 5D
Speaking of mythical lenses scarcer than a Noctilux 1.2, a Canon 200/1.8 lens is for sale on the Texas Photo Forum.
If I had the resources, I would buy this lens and a Canon 5D. You would need a 2x4 to get the grin off of my face.
Oh, and I would also use it on my Elan II E with Kodachrome!
Reason to buy a Canon 5D
x-ray said:
Speaking of mythical lenses scarcer than a Noctilux 1.2, a Canon 200/1.8 lens is for sale on the Texas Photo Forum.
If I had the resources, I would buy this lens and a Canon 5D. You would need a 2x4 to get the grin off of my face.
Oh, and I would also use it on my Elan II E with Kodachrome!
MikeL
Go Fish
All this talk about "leaving rangefinders" and stuff I just don't get. Why does it have to be either/or? For that matter who needs a "system" other than professionals doing it all (landscape, architecture, sports, people, products, etc.)?
Didier
"Deed"
Jorge Torralba said:
Why selling all - for a price nota bene that might be too high even for a dealer? You could have a D200 plus the 28-70/2.8 AF Nikkor plus the 1.5/50 Planar ZF for two of your M lenses, or the MP body. And shoot good pix with both systems.
Just my 2 pesos...
Didier
PS: the D200 finder isn't that sensational - better than most DSLR - but dim and tunneled compared to any Leica M, Bessa R-R4 or Zeiss Ikon model
haagen_dazs
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Topdog1 said:
the site has been sold? what the heck? since when?
Ira.. ..you are in NJ too? where?
edit: i haven't been reading the announcement page... ahh 1 week ago.. interesting
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It's all still under my pillow. It ain't going nowhere.
x-ray
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venchka said:Speaking of mythical lenses scarcer than a Noctilux 1.2, a Canon 200/1.8 lens is for sale on the Texas Photo Forum.
If I had the resources, I would buy this lens and a Canon 5D. You would need a 2x4 to get the grin off of my face.
Oh, and I would also use it on my Elan II E with Kodachrome!
I have one and sold my 300 2.8 because the 200 1.8 with the 1.4x was even sharper wide open than the 300 without the extender. The 200 1.8 is probably the finest lens of any kind for any format that I've ever owned. The 135 F2 and 85 F1.2 are so close in performance that they could for all practical purposes be considered equals.
Funny what the 200 1.8 is going for now. There's a guy in Korea that seems to get his hands on quite a few and sells them onevilbay. I've seen pristine ones go for nearly 6K. I think I paid about $2,600 for my copy and it was mint minus but that's been a number of years ago.
I use the 200 wide open for fashion and rarely stop down more than 2.8.
Nikon makes some superb glass to. That's why I can't see any future in Zeiss glass in F mount. The Zeiss offers nothing that the Nikon glass doesn't have. Anyway, when you get to the level of glass from each of the top makers the differences are very slight. Look at the lenses that Nikon makes that are super performers, the 24 2.8, 28 PC, 50 Micro, 85 1.4, 105 2.5 and micro 2.8, 180 2.8, another legend 300 F2 with matched 1.4x, 300 2.8, 400 2.8, 400 3.5, 600 f4 and on and on.
Remember, the majority of the top digital and 35 shooters in the world either use Canon or Nikon. There are very good reasons why and it's not price.
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haagen_dazs
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my dream lens.x-ray said:
would like to buy one but i am afraid that it might breakdown .. and its not covered by canon anymore.
perhaps someday, canon will introduce this to rival the 200 f2
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
Jorge Torralba said:It's all still under my pillow. It ain't going nowhere.
Jorge, I've got the D200. It's a sweet camera, especially with an old AI-S lens on the front. Here's what goes really well with a D200: a MP and a kit of lenses. You've got a state-of-the-art film camera for all those shots that matter and a nice Nikon for everything else.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
My god ... last time I saw a thread blazing away like this it was the infamous 'Seal' thread.
Congratulations Jorge ... on achieving celebrity status! ;-))
Congratulations Jorge ... on achieving celebrity status! ;-))
x-ray
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haagen_dazs said:
I don't know about repair parts but Canon CPS tweeked my 200 about a year ago. I haven't heard they're not repairing it now but that's possible. Even if they no longer did there are many canon repair groups around the world and probably plenty of parts.
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i wonder how many offers jorge has received?
joe
joe