RJBender
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Andy K said:
This is your scanner?
I wanted to know if you scanned your prints on a flatbed scanner without altering the image after it was digitized.
R.J.
Think I'll stick with film.
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This is your scanner?
I wanted to know if you scanned your prints on a flatbed scanner without altering the image after it was digitized.
R.J.
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Andy,
What kinds of film do you prefer? I see from your signature line that you are a B&W kind of guy.
Do you shoot just Ilford?
Since you prefer film - perhaps you could tell us some of the pros and cons of what's out there?
What kinds of film do you prefer? I see from your signature line that you are a B&W kind of guy.
Do you shoot just Ilford?
Since you prefer film - perhaps you could tell us some of the pros and cons of what's out there?
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calm down boys, no need to gang up on andy or to start with the name calling.
tho i kinda like luddite for myself...
if you want to argue about dogital vs film then take it outside.
joe
tho i kinda like luddite for myself...
if you want to argue about dogital vs film then take it outside.
joe
Andy K
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copake_ham said:
Well mostly I shoot HP5+ at this time of year. I find it fast enough for the dull weather we have here in Britain. I also like being able to shoot it at up to ISO 3200 and develop it in Rodinal 1+25, using a semi stand developing routine, with very good results.
Come summertime and I'll switch to PAN F 50 and either Delta 100 or FP4+. Depending on what I am shooting, although I will still pull out the bulk loader of HP5+ when the Airshow is on. The PAN F is great if you want detail, whereas the Delta 100 and FP4+ are suitably middle of the road for the variable conditions likely to be met when out and about in summer.
When enlarging photographs I use Ilford's multigrade RC paper, usually pearl finish and, excluding postcards, starting at 8x10 and going up in size.
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Thank you.
I've never actually developed my own film - much less done real darkroom work - but it is always good to learn.
I've recently shot some HP5+ and really like it. I should learn how to develop my own because the lab screws it up just as well as they screw up T-Max etc.
BTW: I would imagine you're not keen on the chromogenics but have you used any XP-2?
Oh, and ditto on the "grey days" needing the higher speed stuff - my dilemma is that come warm weather I tend to gravitate to color and chrome - perhaps this summertime I'll try slow B&W - at least in the city.
I've never actually developed my own film - much less done real darkroom work - but it is always good to learn.
I've recently shot some HP5+ and really like it. I should learn how to develop my own because the lab screws it up just as well as they screw up T-Max etc.
BTW: I would imagine you're not keen on the chromogenics but have you used any XP-2?
Oh, and ditto on the "grey days" needing the higher speed stuff - my dilemma is that come warm weather I tend to gravitate to color and chrome - perhaps this summertime I'll try slow B&W - at least in the city.
RJBender
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back alley said:
Joe, are you telling us to behave because you have to take your dog out for a walk?
I like Andy.
R.J.
Andy K
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I can't comment on XP-2, I have never used it. I have seen some great photographs made from chromagenic negs though.
I shoot the occasional roll of colour in summer. I still have a few rolls of Konica/minolta VX100 in the freezer. I like slow(ish) colour film and like to combine it with a linear polariser to really saturate the negs. Here's a tip, if you want a slow(ish) colour film, say ISO 100, buy it from the lomographic society. They always stock slow colour film and sell it cheap.
Doing your own developing is always worth it. I would never give my film to a lab now. Later this year I plan to give colour developing and enlarging a try too. I have a colour analyser for my enlarger, I might as well use it!
I shoot the occasional roll of colour in summer. I still have a few rolls of Konica/minolta VX100 in the freezer. I like slow(ish) colour film and like to combine it with a linear polariser to really saturate the negs. Here's a tip, if you want a slow(ish) colour film, say ISO 100, buy it from the lomographic society. They always stock slow colour film and sell it cheap.
Doing your own developing is always worth it. I would never give my film to a lab now. Later this year I plan to give colour developing and enlarging a try too. I have a colour analyser for my enlarger, I might as well use it!
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RJBender said:Joe, are you telling us to behave because you have to take your dog out for a walk?
I like Andy.
R.J.
uh, yep?
🙂
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
<mini rant>Not to stir the pot, but all Andy said in the first post was that he would stick to film, citing the proprietary RAW issue, and the potential for either not being able to read the original files down the road, or for having to jump through hoops to do so. So extending the argument to "hey, didn't you use a scanner to put up your digitized images?" is really silly, cuz scanning and preparing for the web has NOTHING to do with RAW, eh?! </mini rant>
Anyway ... George, I highly recommend giving processing of b&w film a try. I think once you do that and "force" yourself to shoot some b&w in the summer, you may find another photo horizon.
My photo tutor said he didn't work in colour much for personal work because he "wasn't good enough". By that, he explained that getting a pleasing image in colour was too easy because of the visual attraction of colour itself. To get really good photographs, he used the discipline of composition, lighting, texture, etc in b&w to see those elements rather than just colour. I think that approach has a lot of validity, though it may not work for some.
Anyway ... George, I highly recommend giving processing of b&w film a try. I think once you do that and "force" yourself to shoot some b&w in the summer, you may find another photo horizon.
My photo tutor said he didn't work in colour much for personal work because he "wasn't good enough". By that, he explained that getting a pleasing image in colour was too easy because of the visual attraction of colour itself. To get really good photographs, he used the discipline of composition, lighting, texture, etc in b&w to see those elements rather than just colour. I think that approach has a lot of validity, though it may not work for some.
OK gentlemen, back to your corners.
Nikon vs Canon, Contax vs Leica, Godzilla vs King Kong, Digital vs Film...
Different strokes for different folks.
Oh, I like grain over noise too.
Nikon vs Canon, Contax vs Leica, Godzilla vs King Kong, Digital vs Film...
Different strokes for different folks.
Oh, I like grain over noise too.
peterc
Heretic
I shoot a lot of film, but I got a dSLR for those days when I'm feeling lazy. Some days I just want to fire off some frames, test some ideas and the digital is great for that. I can then transfer what I've learned to my film photography without having wasted (IMHO) film and chemicals.Andy K said:
I went for a Fuji S1 Pro since it had the most film-like redition of all the cameras I looked at and does acceptable black and white. It also offers full manual exposure (which I find myself using a lot of the time).
I shoot jpegs or tiffs so I'm not really concerned by the RAW issue ... I would say longterm storage is probably a greater concern.
I'm not trying to sway you to digital ... just putting in my $0.02 on why I have a foot in both camps.
Peter
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i like digital to take pics of my film cameras😉
kbg32
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Contax as far as I know is the only brand to have totally abandoned digital now that Kyocera is no longer manufacturing cameras under that name. Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax, etc., are pretty safe that in the future, one will be able to process raw files from these manufacturers.
RJBender
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peterc said:
Excellent point!
The issue on RAW formats doesn't make me want to give up digital... there are always JPGs and TIFS.
R.J.
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Andy K said:
Andy,
That's interesting that you've seen some great pics shot with chromogenic.
I've used it a fair amount (maybe a quarter of my Gallery pics here are taken with either XP-2 or TCN-400).
While it seems a bit "flat" to me - I do have to admit that as a "non-developer" it is a lot more convenient to get processed.
I'm not sure when I will get back over to the UK for a visit - but when I do - would you be willing to "take me for a spin" around your darkroom etc.?
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
RJ: How many digital cameras support capture in TIFF? I know my ancient Oly does, as the only uncompressed format. So I use that when I want ultimate quality; it seems to give me more dynamic range than as well as more control over sharpening.
George: I think with chromogenic (and I admit to having limited experience) a bit of over-exposure helps a lot. I also noticed better results with Kodak as far as contrast is concerned, but that was one roll in the Tower 51, which seems to have a nice contrasty lens. Graham Battison does all his b&w with TCN.
George: I think with chromogenic (and I admit to having limited experience) a bit of over-exposure helps a lot. I also noticed better results with Kodak as far as contrast is concerned, but that was one roll in the Tower 51, which seems to have a nice contrasty lens. Graham Battison does all his b&w with TCN.
ywenz
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RJBender said:
raw is like the digital version of the freshly exposed negative.
Stephanie Brim
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Seriously, George...if you want a tank I'll send you one...I don't think my backlog is ever going to get to the point it was when I had to grab the second one.
Andy, about the Rodinal 1:25...how is the grain with HP5? I like a good, sharp grain, but I don't like it to be excessive. I've decided to stick with Rodinal for a while (everyone rejoice, she picked one developer!) and I have some HP5 to use up.
Andy, about the Rodinal 1:25...how is the grain with HP5? I like a good, sharp grain, but I don't like it to be excessive. I've decided to stick with Rodinal for a while (everyone rejoice, she picked one developer!) and I have some HP5 to use up.
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
Ooops, I just found Graham is now shooting some HP5 and Delta 400.
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Stephanie Brim said:
Stephanie,
Thanks for the offer.
My main purpose tonight was to positively engage Andy in taliking about what he most enjoys.
It's obvious that those of us who prefer film oftentimes feel beleaugered. Can anyone of us find a photo mag these days that has much of any text devoted to film?
Just like the camera manufacturers, the photo media is engaged in an epic "shake out" and all want to stress their "digital credentials".
So we who prefer film are wont to get to feeling overwhelmed at times. I think Andy was feeling that way this evening.
Andy is apparently a very accomplished film photographer - including possessing considerable darkroom capabilities - so my hope was to "channel" his energy tonight into talking about what it is about film that he so enjoys.
I hope he will appreciate that he has much knowledge to impart and will post positive threads about film for all of us to learn from and enjoy.
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