Think I'll stick with film.

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I knew your point and respected it which is why I wanted to carry on the conversation. 😉

You're still welcome to the tank, though, if you ever want it.
 
Stephanie Brim said:
I knew your point and respected it which is why I wanted to carry on the conversation. 😉

You're still welcome to the tank, though, if you ever want it.

Stephanie,

Sorry. I cannot continue in this thread

Apparently one of the moderators thought I was "taunting" Andy! 😕
 
George,

If you've never developed your own stuff, then you're missing some fun. I developed my first roll ever at the weekend and it was so much easier than I had imagined and you don't need a lot of gear to do it - I don't have a dark room. Its like MAGIC seeing your negs appear 🙂

Andy,

I know what you're point is about raw, just don't know what the solution is (maybe Rodinal 😀 ) Adobe DNG is a good start, but there will always be issues about the long term viability of storage media and continually upgrading and re-saving. However, the long term future of film is just as difficult to predict - what happens when you can't buy a new enlarger or chemistry or find parts for old stuff or repairers???

The way I look at it is just use what gives you a buzz - is it taking the image or creating the image? I use both film and digital and for me they're just different work flows. I could be concerned about the longevity of either medium, but if I want to ensure the safety of any of my images I'll print or get them printed - that'll see out my lifetime.

BTW, where do you get your chemistry from? I had a job sourcing all the stuff I wanted.

Enjoy what you like and be safe in the knowledge that those who don't follow your path have clearly lost the plot 😉

Regards

Gid
 
Gid,

Thanks for advice. I "know" you are correct but I really would like to get some "hands-on" experience.

A couple of months ago I signed up for a course in basic B&W developing etc.

First turn off was the "teacher", who as as middle-aged old as me but who had recently "discovered' digital and so was just going to "go through the motions" of teaching the traditional material.

The other turn-off was that they wanted me to do full wet darkroom stuff and indicated that the film developing would be quickly "covered" and if I didn't like it! could then just go to a lab etc.

I am "hybrid" oriented. I'd like to learn how to develop my film but then I am only interested in scanning it!

I figured Andy could teach me the first part -but probably would be "rightouesly indignant" about the second.

Ciao!
 
kbg32 said:
Contax as far as I know is the only brand to have totally abandoned digital now that Kyocera is no longer manufacturing cameras under that name. Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax, etc., are pretty safe that in the future, one will be able to process raw files from these manufacturers.
Konica Minolra: that's two (or three, depending on how you look at it).


- Barrett
 
Andy,
What rules do you follow if you want to be as analogue as possible with your photography? No film scanning? Scan your prints on a flatbed and only use your computer to resize the image? Is it ok to use film cameras with microchips?
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R.J.
 
Film scanning is a necessary evil for most people...be it the print or the negative. I am as analog as I can be (I develop most of my own film), but I have no way to print small negatives on my own until I get the enlarger. I scan with no correction...so I'm getting as close as I can get to the original negative from my computer.

You do the best you can, I think.
 
Stephanie Brim said:
Film scanning is a necessary evil for most people...be it the print or the negative. I am as analog as I can be (I develop most of my own film), but I have no way to print small negatives on my own until I get the enlarger. I scan with no correction...so I'm getting as close as I can get to the original negative from my computer.

You do the best you can, I think.

What about your camera, Stephanie? Can you use an autofocus, autoexposure film camera that has a microchip in it or does that in some way defeat the purpose? I'm not knocking the analogue purists. I just want to know what rules you should follow if you want to be an analogue photographer.


R.J.
 
I dislike autofocus. To be honest, if you want autofocus you can have it. I think it comes down to the process: shooting film, developing film, making a print. That is analog. There are similarities between digital processing and film processing, but most things done in digital post processing (curves, dodge and burn, contrast, etc) were all done using film first and that's how they got the techniques in the first place.

I'm not one of those that bashes people for using digital...I just don't like it. I think people need to use what they're comfortable with. If you like shooting with a DSLR, post-processing in Photoshop, and printing with your computer printer, I say go for it. You just won't see me doing it. I like getting my hands dirty, I like the anticipation of the results, and I *really* love how diverse my options are with film.

That said, my definition of analog photography is simple: shooting film and using that film (not a digital reproduction of the negative) to make a final print. Others may have a different definition.
 
Stephanie Brim said:
I scan with no correction...so I'm getting as close as I can get to the original negative from my computer.

You do the best you can, I think.

That approach doesn't make any practical sense and it reveals a level of unfamiliarity with the tool. Im confident this is reason behind most of the extreme anti-digital sentiments.

When you scan an image, a sensor is reading in light reflected off of your negative. The computer has no clue as to the appropriate levels for the image you are scanning. It is up to the user to fine-tune the image controls such that the resulting image resembles what it looks like in real-life, or what it looks like if you had printed it using an enlarger. It's just like when using a digicam, you have to set the white balance, or just like in the analog world, when printing, you would control the exposure & development time.

By saying you'll just scan the image, without correction, you are not using the tool correctly and thus end up with an inferior result, which in turn is blamed on the digital process, and the vicious cycle continues..

I say, use it before bashing it.
 
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Trius said:
Ooops, I just found Graham is now shooting some HP5 and Delta 400.
In all fairlness, he also seems somewhat fond of his Panasonic LC 5, a category of digital camera where I feel the action is, as opposed to Dreadnought-class dSLRs.


- Barrett
 
ywenz said:
That approach doesn't make any practical sense and it reveals a level of unfamiliarity with the tool. Im confident this is reason behind most of the extreme anti-digital sentiments.

When you scan an image, a sensor is reading in light reflected off of your negative. The computer has no clue as to the appropriate levels for the image you are scanning. It is up to the user to fine-tune the image controls such that the resulting image resembles what it looks like in real-life, or what it looks like if you had printed it using an enlarger. It's just like when using a digicam, you have to set the white balance, or just like in the analog world, when printing, you would control the exposure & development time.

By saying you'll just scan the image, without correction, you are not using the tool correctly and thus end up with an inferior result, which in turn is blamed on the digital process, and the vicious cycle continues..

I say, use it before bashing it.

I'm not bashing it...*I* don't do any correction and I don't blame the scanner when things don't come out the way I want them to. I blame myself and the fact that I exposed wrong.
 
George, I'm the same as you. The ability to scan, PS, and print my negs was revelation to me....absolutely love the results. I also took a photo1 course, but was lucky enough to have a great instructor (unfortunately, they're on strike now), who basically got us into the darkroom asap and the last 3 classes were all darkroom work.
When I drove up to the college with 2 rolls of film to develop and saw the picket lines I drove right over to my camera shop and bought a Paterson tank, a black bag, chemicals, clips, etc. got out of there for under $100CDN. Practiced loading the reel with an expired film, premixed everything...forgot to buy a timer so used my wife's egg-timer....gave it a shot. Result? Best damn negs I ever saw, better than the roll I had done at school, and I never turned out the lights. I was scanning and printing within 1 1/2 hours of starting.....I haven't had such a feeling of accomplishment and independence since moving out of the house in my early 20's....
No more waiting for your film to be developed.....you're ready to go as soon as you get home.
Like you, I had no intentions of getting into wet printing, especially after seeing the quality of the prints you can get at home now. But after doing some wet printing at college.....not only is there a greater sense of accomplishment, but hell, it's just more fun than waiting for your printer to spit an image at you. Masking with your hands, watching that image appear....you can't beat it. I'm bidding on an enlarger now....
These either/or quarrels get a little tiresome.......I enjoy it all, and still take some digital shots with my Nikon to boot. But I'm happiest with my M3 and some Tmax, knowing I'll be playing that evening instead of waiting several days.
You won't regret doing your own films at home, I'm a clutz and I found it easy.
Mike
 
Aaah, so nice to start the day with the smell of film vs digital napalm in the morning... NOT!

Get over it. We'll never be able to resolve this issue until film has finally been eradicated fully, which will never happen. Decimated, yes; eradicated, never. In the meantime, can we just live together without all the name calling and film or digital bashing?

Thank you.
 
The strike was best thing that ever happened. I may never have tried it otherwise....
Another bonus is I'll be sitting pretty with all my assignments done when classes resume! I should mention that this forum is better than a set of Encyclopaedia Brittannica....answers in seconds.
Re that link....gorgeous. I know what you mean.......film will always have that particular look. Imitated but never duplicated...
 
Your new day is our old night.

But thread started back there.

I'm closer to Andy's position. I just posted some nice springtime pics of tulips. All are scanned photo-chromes. I like them.

Perhaps you would be happier on the other thread where BM is blathering his usual FID stuff?
 
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