thinking of finding myself an M3.

colker

Well-known
Local time
4:22 AM
Joined
Jan 17, 2009
Messages
771
Location
rio de janeiro
Pros:
Viewfinder. my favourite lens is a 50mm.

price. i could add an M2 second body for the eventual 28mm and still come out behind an M6 price tag.

elegance. way nicer to look at than a black chrome M6.

cons:
film loading. how tough is it? the idea of missing pictures while loading a camera..

film rewinding: see above.

resillience: how tough can a 55 yr old camera be? i don't baby my stuff.

glass scratcher. i tried an M3... it scratched my glasses. can i fix that evil metal piece or swap it for something rubber, soft and friendly?

last bit not least: a VF meter can be very practical though lithium batteries are a bad idea.

i never had a RF. i worked w/ nikon F2, F3, D200, Pentax 67, hasselblad but never a RF.
i like shooting color and will probably scan my negs.

Please hit me w/ your opinions.
 
Last edited:
I prefer the M3 film rewind to my M4/M7. It stays while the M4/M7 rewind can unwind if you lose your grip. There's also no danger of denting or bending the rewind crank on an M3.

Film loading isn't an issue. Buy an extra rewind spool!
 
agree: film-loading is more secure and simpler on the M2/3, imho. ditto the rewind. buy a "donut" from cameraquest to protect your specs.

re: a 28mm on an M2, i shoot a 28mm on my M2 using the edges of the VF. works pretty well, but might not if i were wearing glasses.
 
I like the M3 because it is easier to focus long focal lengths (longer effective rangefinder baseline). I like available light indoor portaits, where I usually at f/1.5 or f/2. You always get the external viewfinder and you'll likely need one for anything wider than 35 mm anyway.

Film loading isn't that bad. Tom Abrahamsson has a video on youtube (with his rapidwinder).

Rewinding isn't very difficult either. I doubt you ever miss a shot because the Leica takes a few more seconds to rewind and load than another camera. If you know a great shot is coming, you shouldn't be on frame 35, regardless of the camera you are holding..

Wear contacts.

I like the VC Meter II. It's compact and accurate.
 
m3 rocks with a 50. i have a ,85 MP and the m3 is still better than it with just a 50. The loading is no big deal. i can load a m2/m3 faster than a MP; the spools make for a very positive, fitted load. Initially it will take a minute, but soon enough you will chuckle at the thought that it is somehow a hassle.

BTW, as Mike said above, there is NO NEED to use an auxillary VF for the 28mm lens on a m2.

I encourage you to go with your plans to use the M2/M3 kit.
 
Wearing glasses, I tried three times an M3 for it's advantage when using 50mm lens but ... Depending on your glasses (and eyesight) the 50mm frame-lines maybe a little difficult to see completely (same as the 35mm lines in 0.72x VF M Leica), so I finally went for an M2 and like it a lot better.

The M3 is really a good camera for 50mm / 90mm lenses when either wearing contact lenses or no eye-glasses at all. Otherwise, the M2 / M4 / M5 might be better, when an "classic" M Leica is preferred.

Loading an M2/M3 is much more straight forward (and safer !) than any of the newer Leica cameras (except the M5, which has the best film loading, IMHO).

Good luck with your search ! There are plenty of M2 / M3 recently for sale at evilbay for not so much $$$ 🙂

Cheers,

Gabor
 
I think M3 too for FL 50mm.

See video from Tom A. about loading. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyJf1xbFTrk&feature=related

I have some experience with M6 (I sold it). My first load did not very successful: I took over 50 shoot to 36 exp roll before noticed film doesn't move. 😱 After that no problem. M3 seems not to be much different but take up spool.

I turn somehow confused and more careful with my planned M3 after read possible ageing influensies. http://leica.nemeng.com/002be.shtml

After my first M-Leica (and RF) I am interested on M4 and M3. But I am very close to leave M-Leica too and buy a brand new Zeiss Ikon which have THE viewfinder. Only thing is, how much I love solid Leica feel and mechanic. If use head, of cource more developed ZI: film load, no burning shutter curtains, AE exposure, exact shutter, big viewfinder...

Leica seems to be more than a camera. I hated and loved it. We met during one month only, 15 rolls. Now I am confused. I hate and love it still!!! Perhaps only love stays but better without any M-Leica.
 
Last edited:
Your list of cons looks feeble to me- but I'm an M3 die hard. Loading and rewind are slightly slower than your typical swing-back, crank-rewind camera. I think it takes me 5% to 10% more time to perform these tasks with the M3. In other words, much ado about nothing. Incidentally, the mechanical feel of these functions is flawless and very secure. Do it a few times and it's just easy.

Resilience? In the eleven or twelve years since I got my M3 (my first Leica), it's been my near constant companion. I've carried it everywhere- sometimes in a bag, or wrapped in a T-shirt; mostly on my shoulder, around my neck, or in my hands. It's banged into other cameras on my person during events; chucked into unpadded (sometimes even non-dividered!) bags with several other cameras and lenses while I run to the next location. It's never been babied. Youxin Ye did a CLA not long ago, and said it was in great shape inside and out.

That M3 finder- it's different than later M's. It's design is simpler, and it never flares. It's great for every lens length (except 35mm...) but I pretty much use a 50mm most of the time; not only because the M3's bright, high mag finder and clean bright lines are perfect for it, but because the 50mm is my lens. Anyway, with top mounted finders, wides are great on the M3 too- and it's the best Leica for 90mm and 135mm. I'm not worried about the finder de-laminating. I know it could happen, but it's not very likely to. If it does, I'll have to get another, or try to repair it, but I don't worry about this.

Since learning to shoot with a non-metered body, I've come to prefer it. The large and medium format cameras I use don't have built in meters either. I feel very confident using a hand-held incident or spot meter to read the light and choose settings; it gives me better information, and sooner- as in before I start making pictures. When I shoot, all my attention is on my subjects and the world in front of me. It's wonderful not seeing lights in my finder or having to think about fiddling with exposure settings when I'm trying to focus on my composition and getting the moment I want.

I'm lucky in that I don't wear glasses- except to see up close. Sometimes I have a hard time reading the camera controls- but the camera is so simple, I know it entirely by feel. If I wore glasses for seeing normal distances, I'd worry about eye relief or the metal eye piece scratching the glasses, but these aren't issues for me.

The M3 is a great camera to keep things simple. It begs me to carry it with a 50mm attached and no other gear besides a pocket full of film. Sometimes I shove an XA in my coat, to have a wider lens. If I'm traveling, I'll add a 21mm, maybe a 90mm, and maybe another body. I've tried the M6, M4p, and Hexar RF; these are all great cameras, but none felt as nice or were as simple and solid as the M3. I sold them all and bought another M3. Now the only M camera I might want to add would be an M2 (or perhaps a Zeiss Ikon; they have great finders, too, and AE which is IMO the only reason to get a camera with a built-in meter); but either of these would be second cameras, to add another body or different features that could be helpful sometimes (like a good body for a 35mm lens...). One body/one lens days will still find me with an M3 and a 50mm lens- I'm basically done.

If any of this rings true, you might be an M3 person, too.
 
Your list of cons looks feeble to me- but I'm an M3 die hard. Loading and rewind are slightly slower than your typical swing-back, crank-rewind camera. I think it takes me 5% to 10% more time to perform these tasks with the M3. In other words, much ado about nothing. Incidentally, the mechanical feel of these functions is flawless and very secure. Do it a few times and it's just easy.

Resilience? In the eleven or twelve years since I got my M3 (my first Leica), it's been my near constant companion. I've carried it everywhere- sometimes in a bag, or wrapped in a T-shirt; mostly on my shoulder, around my neck, or in my hands. It's banged into other cameras on my person during events; chucked into unpadded (sometimes even non-dividered!) bags with several other cameras and lenses while I run to the next location. It's never been babied. Youxin Ye did a CLA not long ago, and said it was in great shape inside and out.

That M3 finder- it's different than later M's. It's design is simpler, and it never flares. It's great for every lens length (except 35mm...) but I pretty much use a 50mm most of the time; not only because the M3's bright, high mag finder and clean bright lines are perfect for it, but because the 50mm is my lens. Anyway, with top mounted finders, wides are great on the M3 too- and it's the best Leica for 90mm and 135mm. I'm not worried about the finder de-laminating. I know it could happen, but it's not very likely to. If it does, I'll have to get another, or try to repair it, but I don't worry about this.

Since learning to shoot with a non-metered body, I've come to prefer it. The large and medium format cameras I use don't have built in meters either. I feel very confident using a hand-held incident or spot meter to read the light and choose settings; it gives me better information, and sooner- as in before I start making pictures. When I shoot, all my attention is on my subjects and the world in front of me. It's wonderful not seeing lights in my finder or having to think about fiddling with exposure settings when I'm trying to focus on my composition and getting the moment I want.

I'm lucky in that I don't wear glasses- except to see up close. Sometimes I have a hard time reading the camera controls- but the camera is so simple, I know it entirely by feel. If I wore glasses for seeing normal distances, I'd worry about eye relief or the metal eye piece scratching the glasses, but these aren't issues for me.

The M3 is a great camera to keep things simple. It begs me to carry it with a 50mm attached and no other gear besides a pocket full of film. Sometimes I shove an XA in my coat, to have a wider lens. If I'm traveling, I'll add a 21mm, maybe a 90mm, and maybe another body. I've tried the M6, M4p, and Hexar RF; these are all great cameras, but none felt as nice or were as simple and solid as the M3. I sold them all and bought another M3. Now the only M camera I might want to add would be an M2 (or perhaps a Zeiss Ikon; they have great finders, too, and AE which is IMO the only reason to get a camera with a built-in meter); but either of these would be second cameras, to add another body or different features that could be helpful sometimes (like a good body for a 35mm lens...). One body/one lens days will still find me with an M3 and a 50mm lens- I'm basically done.

If any of this rings true, you might be an M3 person, too.

damm... i am getting one.😀
 
I came to Leica M's after 15 years with a Nikon F. I couldn't focus it in low light so got and old, user M3 and loved it. Later got an M6 because I thought I needed a meter and after several years of that I am back to the old M3. Great finder, simple, smooth, an old friend. I am also blessed with a Noctilux, bought used when they were much more affordable and the M3 is the best for that. My normal carry camera is the old M3 with a 50mm Summilux asph. Nothing better. Get one. Joe
 
I like my M2, but for critical focussing -- and with an 85/90 lens -- the M3 is decidedly better. For 17 years I used an M3 with a SBLOO finder for 35mm. Wish I didn't have to sell it because I needed money.
 
Back
Top Bottom