Stephanie Brim
Mental Experimental.
Andy K said:
I agree with you. Leave the cliques to the rest of the web. Here we are good to everyone, not just those in our buddy lists.
FrankS
Registered User
George S. said:
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nwcanonman
Guest
My grandmother used to say, "If you ignore people long enough, you become 'ignorant'".
I didn't even know there was an ignore feature here, I don't know anyone on this great list that's 'nasty' or we wouldn't let them stay.
I didn't even know there was an ignore feature here, I don't know anyone on this great list that's 'nasty' or we wouldn't let them stay.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
It's kind of curious that when someone asks for help about a rangefinder we all chip in. When someone wants to use the control panel features we get on a soap box. Joe excluded, no one gave an answer. The posts were editorials. Why?
Just asking.
Kevin, you may have to live with the limits of the system. That's my two cents on the topic.
Just asking.
Kevin, you may have to live with the limits of the system. That's my two cents on the topic.
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nwcanonman
Guest
Jan,
Just speaking for myself; when a person needs help with their camer/lens/film, it seems a 'positive' thing to help affirm an ability to photograph. To find more ways to ignore people seems (JMHO) a negative thing on such a positive list as RFF.
Just speaking for myself; when a person needs help with their camer/lens/film, it seems a 'positive' thing to help affirm an ability to photograph. To find more ways to ignore people seems (JMHO) a negative thing on such a positive list as RFF.
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
George S. said:
Best contribution so far ! Thanks, you saved me time.
bertram
doubs43
Well-known
FrankS said:
That makes two of us, Frank.
There are threads that I ignore because I have no interest in them but there's no one who has caused me sufficient irritation to be permanently shunned. Even those who hold viewpoints 180 degrees out from my own often contribute something of value.
The world is filled with interesting people and I don't want to miss any of them!
Walker
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
A software app like this one evolves over time. Its changes are reflected by new user requirements which are prioritized for a future release. When that new release is deployed, it contains some of the new requirements, as well as a number of bug fixes.
Prioritizing a requirement can be anywhere between "high", and "will not implement."
If a feature exists in a software solution it doesn't mean you have to use it. I would guess that most Windows users tap into about 5% of the features in MS-Word. If you were to take the intersection of the most used features in that program and code them anew, that software would be nothing more than a simple notepad.
For some of us, using the ignore feature is the virtual equivalent to a real-world context where individuals we have identified as bothersome are avoided at all costs. We all do it in real life with a "circle of friends," selective invitations, answering machines, neighborhoods, so why should the value of this feature be discounted here, where the wrong words can cause flame wars and heart attacks?
New features are introduced into a software solution because some users want them and not necessarily all users. You many not ever use the new feature, but that's okay. For others, that feature may make using the software more enjoyable and administering the site less stressful.
If you are small, tight group of people then there is no need for such a thing. But a larger group of people naturally form into cliques and that is not really a bad thing.
Within a clique there is some kind of "leader" who interfaces to other cliques. If everything is cool, the cliques interact.
In a growing virtual community like this one, new members often lose themselves. Ignoring them works like a charm because you are no longer even tempted to respond. They can learn manners that way too. And you save your valuable time and brain waves.
This reminds me of a time I was in a restaurant in Bangkok. A small boy was throwing a fit and his parents stood up and went to the other side of the room. They looked at him a little from the distance but also pretended to ignore him. Within 30 seconds the fit was over and it didn't happen again for the rest of my meal.
In our western society we feed such fits with attention. This technique doesn't solve the real problem, however. Feeding fits with attention can actually make things much worse.
BTW, nobody hijacked this thread. Discussing a software requirement is good thing. It shouldn't be a private message however, as Joe suggests. It should be open for viewing and refinement. That is why this forum section exists.
It is natural that people unfamiliar with software development argue over the validity of a requirement instead of just writing it down and assigning it a priority.
Prioritizing a requirement can be anywhere between "high", and "will not implement."
If a feature exists in a software solution it doesn't mean you have to use it. I would guess that most Windows users tap into about 5% of the features in MS-Word. If you were to take the intersection of the most used features in that program and code them anew, that software would be nothing more than a simple notepad.
For some of us, using the ignore feature is the virtual equivalent to a real-world context where individuals we have identified as bothersome are avoided at all costs. We all do it in real life with a "circle of friends," selective invitations, answering machines, neighborhoods, so why should the value of this feature be discounted here, where the wrong words can cause flame wars and heart attacks?
New features are introduced into a software solution because some users want them and not necessarily all users. You many not ever use the new feature, but that's okay. For others, that feature may make using the software more enjoyable and administering the site less stressful.
If you are small, tight group of people then there is no need for such a thing. But a larger group of people naturally form into cliques and that is not really a bad thing.
Within a clique there is some kind of "leader" who interfaces to other cliques. If everything is cool, the cliques interact.
In a growing virtual community like this one, new members often lose themselves. Ignoring them works like a charm because you are no longer even tempted to respond. They can learn manners that way too. And you save your valuable time and brain waves.
This reminds me of a time I was in a restaurant in Bangkok. A small boy was throwing a fit and his parents stood up and went to the other side of the room. They looked at him a little from the distance but also pretended to ignore him. Within 30 seconds the fit was over and it didn't happen again for the rest of my meal.
In our western society we feed such fits with attention. This technique doesn't solve the real problem, however. Feeding fits with attention can actually make things much worse.
BTW, nobody hijacked this thread. Discussing a software requirement is good thing. It shouldn't be a private message however, as Joe suggests. It should be open for viewing and refinement. That is why this forum section exists.
It is natural that people unfamiliar with software development argue over the validity of a requirement instead of just writing it down and assigning it a priority.
Andy K
Well-known
The only way an ignore function will ever work as it is supposed to, is if the person you put on your ignore list cannot see your posts. Then they are missing out.
Currently when you put someone on an ignore list the only person who is missing out is yourself, because you are restricting what you can read, and not what the person you dislike can read.
Currently when you put someone on an ignore list the only person who is missing out is yourself, because you are restricting what you can read, and not what the person you dislike can read.
back alley
IMAGES
i didn't suggest that you talk with jorge so that this would be private.
i read most of the threads here but jorge does not and if anything is to be done about your request he needs to know that there is a request in the first place. he is the 'computer guy' and my knowledge of such things is very limited.
i sometimes offer to pass on a request but my assumption is that the 2 of you speak the same (computer) language and that it would be better facilitated by direct contact.
btw, i understand your thinking, i don't agree with it, but i think i understand it.
and really, what good is a moderator who ignores people?
i read most of the threads here but jorge does not and if anything is to be done about your request he needs to know that there is a request in the first place. he is the 'computer guy' and my knowledge of such things is very limited.
i sometimes offer to pass on a request but my assumption is that the 2 of you speak the same (computer) language and that it would be better facilitated by direct contact.
btw, i understand your thinking, i don't agree with it, but i think i understand it.
and really, what good is a moderator who ignores people
?nottageek
Member
billbarber said:
What thread?
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Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
Joe, requirement definitions are not technical in nature, meaning they are not described in terms of how they will be implemented in php or any other language. Requirements usually describe a wanted software feature in terms of its function for the user. It's normally just plain text.
Because it seems that many of the responses are not in favor of such a feature, I will wait to see what more members think before making the specification(s) concise enough to be designed/programmed.
From what I have experienced, sometimes it is necessary to "peek" at an ignored user's post just so that you can see the reason why a thread has evolved the way it has.
At the moment, if you want to peek, you either have to log out and refresh the page or remove the ignored user and return to the page. Perhaps a "1-click" peek would be a nice feature for those users who use the ignore filters?
What about a "1-click" ignore user button. How about rules that say that if one of my buddies starts a thread, then all of the ignored users' posts are visible as well. There are so many possibilities. They just have to be specified by those users who find these features useful.
While I agree that a community can be self-regulating, I have doubts that a very large community can do this well. How does pnet do it? Are there moderators there?
Again, these requirements are just ideas at the moment. They can be debated and refined by the users who find these kinds of features useful.
There are strong personality types here like Frank who can read something distasteful and dispose of the knowledge right away. I wish I could do that but I cannot. Usually I linger on things I wish I had never read/heard/saw. I am sure there is at least one other user here who feels that way too.
Because it seems that many of the responses are not in favor of such a feature, I will wait to see what more members think before making the specification(s) concise enough to be designed/programmed.
From what I have experienced, sometimes it is necessary to "peek" at an ignored user's post just so that you can see the reason why a thread has evolved the way it has.
At the moment, if you want to peek, you either have to log out and refresh the page or remove the ignored user and return to the page. Perhaps a "1-click" peek would be a nice feature for those users who use the ignore filters?
What about a "1-click" ignore user button. How about rules that say that if one of my buddies starts a thread, then all of the ignored users' posts are visible as well. There are so many possibilities. They just have to be specified by those users who find these features useful.
While I agree that a community can be self-regulating, I have doubts that a very large community can do this well. How does pnet do it? Are there moderators there?
Again, these requirements are just ideas at the moment. They can be debated and refined by the users who find these kinds of features useful.
There are strong personality types here like Frank who can read something distasteful and dispose of the knowledge right away. I wish I could do that but I cannot. Usually I linger on things I wish I had never read/heard/saw. I am sure there is at least one other user here who feels that way too.
FrankS
Registered User
I'm actually very sensitive.
taffer
void
Andy K said:
!!!
Man that sounds like a question from my almost forgotten Abstract Calculation Models exams!!!
From now on, I'm going to ignore your posts !
Andy K
Well-known
taffer said:!!!
Man that sounds like a question from my almost forgotten Abstract Calculation Models exams!!!
From now on, I'm going to ignore your posts !
Be my guest, plenty of others do!
Ps. It doesn't take a 'strong personality' to ignore (without an ignore button) what someone has written, it just takes maturity.
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goo0h
Well-known
I don't know much about the software myself, but perhaps someone should at least see if the latest version has some enhancements in this regard. I notice they're up to 3.5.3 and this site appears to be using 3.0.6....
And FWIW, I have to agree with the OP that this would appear to be a bug. Hell, there are times I have to ignore myself!
Oh, and while I'm on the topic of self-censorship, mea cupla for posting about the KM bit when there was already a thread about it. I looked (briefly), but I guess there are so many sticky threads in that forum that I didn't search down far enough. Sigh....
And FWIW, I have to agree with the OP that this would appear to be a bug. Hell, there are times I have to ignore myself!
Oh, and while I'm on the topic of self-censorship, mea cupla for posting about the KM bit when there was already a thread about it. I looked (briefly), but I guess there are so many sticky threads in that forum that I didn't search down far enough. Sigh....
cp_ste.croix
At the beginning again.
FrankS said:
here is an E-hug for you my friend...
FrankS
Registered User
I"m glad I took you off my ignore list Chris, or I may have missed that. Thanks. (yuk, yuk)
(yuk, yuk)
cp_ste.croix
At the beginning again.
heh...ouch! Now I'm feeling sensitive
XAos
Well-known
dmr said:Ignore filters, IMAO, are to be used in a last resort, when somebody is indeed behaving like an equine derriere. Fortunately on this system, those are very few and far between.
I agree that the best filter is the human-based one.
The ignore feature is really a mechanical safety feature intended to provide a short term solution to people actually attacking a forum before intervention can step in. Like flooding. spamming, etc... It's not particularly well suited to ignoring someone who is actually participating but is just being annoying, or you have an ongoing fued with. Without it someone could post 10,000 posts linking inline images to that ogrish web site (just a ferinstance) and if Joe was out of town for the weekend the board could be pretty much useless.
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