TLR focus screen samples

Dan Daniel

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This is an attempt to show a variety of focus screen options for TLRs. All images were shot at the same exposure and processed exactly the same. EXCEPT the Maxwell screen is installed in a Rolleiflex 2.8C with a f/2.8 viewing lens, so I reduced its exposure by 1/3 EV. All other screen shots were with a Rolleicord or Minolta Autocord with a f/3.2 viewing lens (YashicaMat sample is from a YashicaMat that I recently acquired, so it had not been cleaned or had a new mirror installed; its viewing lens is f/2.8).

I did a similar test a while back. It is here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142212

This new test was at night because I was going to be swapping out screens and I knew it would take time. I didn't want the light to change. I tried my best to re-locate cameras in the same place, but there is some variance. I also tried to keep the framing the same. The camera used for the shots was a Sony RX-100. Set at 0.5 seconds, f/8, ISO 400.

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Some observations: In 'real life,' all of these screens (except one, the Rollei ground glass) give a viewable image and can be focused (and yep, some will be happiest with the Rollei ground glass, I know). Camera shots like these don't accurately show the brain's ability to adapt and adjust, even when changing attention from the center to the edge of a small screen.

* Look at both the center of the shot and at the edges, specially the lamp on the left side. You can see both brightness and evenness of distribution.

* The Maxwell screen is clearly the brightest and has the best distribution.

* The Brightscreen's 13mm central microprism spot is great for me. The size of the prism grid (meaning the small triangles/prisms that go in and out of focus, not the overall circle that contains these small prisms) is much larger than the Mamiya small triangles/prisms (which is only about 5mm in diameter, the rest of the center spot being clear). I am going to put one in a TLR and field-test it as soon as possible.

* Plain, microprism, or split image? I think this is strictly a personal decision. I could say the advantages and disadvantages I see with each, but I won't bore you.

The Maxwell screens run over $200 USD (Bill Maxwell also sells a screen with a split image and microprism center but I didn't have one for this test). Email or phone is the best way to contact.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxwell-Precision-Optics/200647716643807

Rick Oleson sells the Brightscreen microprism for $80, I believe is his current price.
http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-175.html

You can get Mamiya sceens for $40-60 on Ebay but stock is limited and they need to be cut down. I will sell Mamiya screens for $90, and will install them on cameras I refurbish for sale or for repair, but there aren't enough around to make a real go of them.

NOTE: If you have been around camera repairs and around this whole site, you have probably run into Rick Oleson's post and maybe his web site. I find Rick to be one of those helpful types, someone always willing to answer a question or provide information. And Bill Maxwell is also a helpful guy. If you are thinking of getting a new screen, I'd encourage people to focus on those two offerings. If the screen will work for you, you'll be giving your money to the right people.

If anyone wants the original file at full size (~6000x8000 pixels), drop me a note. It can also be seen here and might enlarge depending on your screen and such:
http://dandaniel.zenfolio.com/p1062669410/h737b3f51#h737b3f51
 
Thanks for the tests, Dan. I have a bright screen on order, and Rick is a nice and very helpful guy. I'm currently using a Zeiss Ikoflex 1 (850-16).
 
Thanks for the thread, I just got a 3.5E and in need a new screen so this should
make it easy, so for a 3.5E what would be the best for that camera.
 
Thanks!
Rolleicord screens are indeed very dim. But the later Rolleiflex screens are quite bright in my experience. Would be nice to have one compared.....and they are still offered
 
I've just had the Oleson screen fitted on an old Rolleicord, and my technician said, the focus in the central ring is different from the focus on the rest of the image. ( He had to collimate the lens after the mirror and screen change). This is weird, as the point of these central focusing aids should be to help you focus correctly, not to help you to focus incorrectly. As I would like to make portraits with that camera, I've settled on correct focus on the plain part of the screen. Have you found similar problems with any of the other screens?
 
I've just had the Oleson screen fitted on an old Rolleicord, and my technician said, the focus in the central ring is different from the focus on the rest of the image. ( He had to collimate the lens after the mirror and screen change). This is weird, as the point of these central focusing aids should be to help you focus correctly, not to help you to focus incorrectly. As I would like to make portraits with that camera, I've settled on correct focus on the plain part of the screen. Have you found similar problems with any of the other screens?

Clarification: Do you mean the newer Oleson screen with a microprism center, or the older Oleson with the split image center?
 
Thanks again Dan for the test. It looks as if the JinFinance screen is more coarse than the others.
Is that indeed the case?

Further I read somewhere that the Chinese screens are smaller than the original screens.
What is your experience in that respect with the JinFinance screen?
 
Thanks again Dan for the test. It looks as if the JinFinance screen is more coarse than the others.
Is that indeed the case?

Further I read somewhere that the Chinese screens are smaller than the original screens.
What is your experience in that respect with the JinFinance screen?

Yes, the Jinfinance screens are coarse. I find it hard to focus away from the split. Most of the other screens have enough bite in the surrounding fresnel/ground glass area to allow focusing.

In email conversation with Rck Oleson, he has found a new problem with screens from China. Something about a new screen mold to a focal length that is unusable for TLRs. If anyone is thinking of buying such a screen, I suggest contacting him first.

I am not certain what you mean by 'small'? The Jinfinance screen will need to be trimmed down for most TLRs. Most of the screens need to be trimmed. Maybe you mean thickness? Depends on the original screen and the replacement screen. Another issue is that thickness can very in molded plastic. Someone like a Bill Maxwell or Rick Oleson will be watching for that, but others might not catch it.
 
I've never used a China/JinFinance screen on an interchangeable screen Rollei so I don't know if they will fit. I've asked questions of JinFinance through the Ebay system in the past and have found him(?) to be quick to respond and helpful.
 
I've been using the "BrightScreen" form Rick Olsen for over 1 1/2 years. I brought Rick in touch with the widow of the Late Jim Lakey of BrightScreen.

Her screens are custom made for Mamiya RB67 cameras. I use these screens in my removable screen Rolleiflex and also for my Rollei SL66.
They are quite bright enough and also inexpensive.

Definitely NOT AS SOFT as the King of Screens, Maxwell Hi-Lux Screens.

A great choice of screens, rather better than any of the CHINESE screens off eBay.

Great I brought them together to work for an inexpensive screen for all TLR and maybe other cameras use.

Evan
 
Evan, any idea if the Brightscreens are still in production or able to be brought back into production? I had an email talk with Rick Oleson and he mentioned that he sells a decent number, so I wonder if he will run out some day. That would be a shame, if so.

Also any idea if there are Brightscreens available or able to be produced with a plain center, not a microprism?
 
Dan hve you seen this one on ebay ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Brigh...creen-For-Rolleiflex-2-8F-3-5F-/261736704208? He says they can be cut down I'm wondering if it's a good alternative to a maxwell screen. Sold in China Brand:
JIEYING ? I would by the Maxwell except my wife would kill me.

Haven't seen that before. Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm not going to spend $108 to find out! I would suggest sending Rick Oleson an email and see what he knows. He has been dealing with screens from China for years and I think he has some solid knowledge of who makes various screens, issues, failures, etc.

Or if anyone else has one of these screens, it'd be great to hear about it.

By the way, the Oleson Brightscreen or a Mamiya screen do a pretty darn good imitation of a Maxwell. In practice I doubt you'd be disappointed.
 
I spoke to the ebay seller today he said it was made by seiko in Japan.

I also spoke to Rick yesterday said he only had the micro prism screen.
 
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