tonight's interesting thread

[BrianShaw]

I'd hope my (or anyone else's) daughter, should she decide posing nude is a good idea, would negotiate a contract up front (and in writing) for acceptable usage of the resulting photos so that she could sue the photog into his/her next lifetime for any misuse.

Peter

Once the pics are abused, the damage is likely to be done. What kind of a lawsuit can compenmsate for a soiled image?

 

[xayraa33]

I think it's quite conlicting for fathers of daughters (I am) because, what man has never objectified an attractive woman, been innocent of applying a double standard with regards to sex, and what father is comfortable allowing an adult female chilld to be an adult? (there's that double standard!)

xayra33, you're sounding a little paranoid. Don't draw attention to yourself so !

No Frank, I do not feel paranoid, I just finished re-reading 1984, and thought I would suggest a topic to your querry.
nude models are fine with me.

 

[FrankS]

No Frank, I do not feel paranoid, I just finished re-reading 1984, and thought I would suggest a topic to your querry.
nude models are fine with me.

Just kidding! I think it's a great topic. To keep thing coherant, could we start a second thread with the NWO topic? I'll participate in that too.

 

[peterc]

Once the pics are abused, the damage is likely to be done. What kind of a lawsuit can compenmsate for a soiled image?

It can't. But at least there's the satisfaction of revenge.
In this era of photoshop and high speed internet posing nude (except for a photographer you trust implicitly) is pretty much a crapshoot ... with bad odds.

Peter

 

[BrianShaw]

Ah, yes... thus my conclusion that posing in the nude is a bad idea, in almost all circumstances.

 

[peterc]

Ah, yes... thus my conclusion that posing in the nude is a bad idea, in almost all circumstances.

I certainly wouldn't disagree there. The potential for abuse seems greater than it once was and any abuse has the probability of reaching a lot of people very quickly.

Peter

 

[xayraa33]

the idea that we can be stopped from indulging in our picture making hobby
has been in the back of my mind from reading that thread about photography in Quebec and my re- reading of 1984.

 

[FrankS]

Ah, yes... thus my conclusion that posing in the nude is a bad idea, in almost all circumstances.

I agree, but then why do we want women to pose nude for us, and why do they agree to do so?

 

[BrianShaw]

I certainly wouldn't disagree there. The potential for abuse seems greater than it once was and any abuse has the probability of reaching a lot of people very quickly.

Peter

So I had a funny experience about 15 years ago. I was invited to a party at the home of an older colleague. He and his wife were well known to all of us. We had a nice dinner and were sitting around their living room havinga drink. Their two teenage sons were on the other side of hte room looking through a photo album. Then they were giggling. The wife of my friend became quite red in the face and asked her boys to put the album away. They started showing us the pictures... of her in her "birthday suit". Of course, we couldn't resist a peek even though proper decorum probably called for us to avert our eyes. For quite some time after that I couldn't look at her without smirking.

 

[BrianShaw]

I agree, but then why do we want women to pose nude for us, and why do they agree to do so?

Because we like how they look when they are naked? Frankly, most of us simply aren't evolved enough that we don't get some sort of gratification from seeing skin, eh?

 

[xayraa33]

I agree, but then why do we want women to pose nude for us, and why do they agree to do so?

most of us love the female form.
the posing fees aluded to already, are an incentive for the ladies.

 

[FrankS]

the idea that we can be stopped from indulging in our picture making hobby
has been in the back of my mind from reading that thread about photography in Quebec and my re- reading of 1984.

That has crossed my mind too. Already the West has restricted journalistic activity (I know explicitly in the Iraq conflict) in order to control public perception, and it would be advantageous for governments to restrict civilian photography to prevent embarrassment over police activity etc. However, with the invention of small portable concealable camera phones, I don't see how this is possible.

 

[BrianShaw]

Not to change the topic too much, but why is it that photographing the male form is generally considered "gay"? Is the male form repulsive? Don't women like to look at men?

 

[FrankS]

Because we like how they look when they are naked? Frankly, most of us simply aren't evolved enough that we don't get some sort of gratification from seeing skin, eh?

Perhaps Brian, but you are certainly demonstrating eloquently evolved Canadian language skills in your posts!

 

[back alley]

i don't see anyone talking about rf cameras in this thread, which is posted in the rf general discussion forum...

as to nudes, who here has done them?

i have photographed both men and women in the nude.
i once photographed myself and a woman i was dating.

it is the least sexual thing a serious photographer can do.
when shooting normal portraits one can hide the ugly bits with clothing and lighting. with a nude there is no place to hide except maybe the shadows.

nudes are not nearly as fun as street shooting.

 

[peterc]

with the invention of small portable concealable camera phones

I suspect these devices are in a great way responsible for many of the restrictions on photography. Authorities always make a point of blaming the device when some pervert gets caught using a shoecam to see up skirts or sets up a spycam in a washroom. This gradually builds public acceptance for restrictions on all photography.
If every photographer had to walk around with a bulky camera you could easily see who was abusing other people's rights.

Peter

 

[FrankS]

Not to change the topic too much, but why is it that photographing the male form is generally considered "gay"? Is the male form repusive? Don't women like to look at men?

I thnk that the accepted scientific view on this issue is that men are more visually orientated and women are more driven by emotions. I may have not stated that precisely, but the gist of it is so. Psych lab research has demonstrated men to be more aroused by visual stimuli (as measured by brain wave activity) than women, and that women are more reactive to emotional triggers than men. I don't think it is yet politically incorrect to admit to believing in such gender differences.

 

[BrianShaw]

Pictures of nude women taken with RFs are better than pictures of nude women taken with other cameras: yes or no?

Is that better, Joe?

 

[peterc]

i don't see anyone talking about rf cameras in this thread

RF is implied. 🙂

Peter

 

[BrianShaw]

I thnk that the accepted scientific view on this issue is that men are more visually orientated and women are more driven by emotions. I may have not stated that precisely, but the gist of it is so. Psych lab research has demonstrated men to be more aroused by visual stimuli (as measured by brain wave activity) than women, and that women are more reactive to emotional triggers than men. I don't think it is yet politically incorrect to admit to believing in such gender differences.

You have stated the facts as I also understand them. One thing you imply bothers me, though... is the interest men show in nude photos (especially those taken with RF cameras), whether artistic or pornographic, primarily for "the rise"? Some would say so. That bothers me because I know that they can be arousing, but sexual arousal isn't necessarily the key purpose for them... or is it?