U.S. shoppers' orders canceled as world shuts down some American-bound shipments

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I am not against taxing imports and every country in the world are doing the same. I am just pissed how our leadership has gone about this in such a half assed way as if it was just a bluff never meant to be implemented.
A small aside for fellow music collectors on RFF:

Discogs sent me an email today including the following statement:

"US Tariffs Should Not Apply to Records and Other Physical Media
Vinyl records, CDs, cassettes, and other recorded media should be exempt from any tariffs under US presidential executive order."

The executive order going into effect on August 29, 2025, removes a long-standing "de minimis" tariff exemption for most goods valued under USD $800.
However, this change does not apply to "informational materials” like music media, which are still exempt from tariffs under US law 50 USC 1702(b)(3)."

If only this also applied to unrecorded media, i.e. photographic film, paper, etc...😉

Chris
Yeah I am on Discogs all the time gawking at pressings. But the origin courier might not care about the contents when they say “all packages” will not be accepted. Why make the distinction what is exempt when there’s no infrastructure to handle any of it?
 
USA has a sickness which may simply need to burn itself out.

AFAIK, in the USA, we can still have goods shipped via carriers other than the postal services, but this usually involves additional customs brokerage fees and can be rather expensive. Case in point: I had hoped to try Adox Color Mission 200 film, so I tried ordering the maximum 3 rolls per customer from Fotoimpex, but discovered that their base shipping rate was something like 45 USD. Maybe USA dealers will eventually offer some, and maybe not: The last time I checked, Freestyle, B&H and Adorama didn't even list it.
 
Oleg is the person I thought of immediately -- how much of his business comes from the USA? This will be devastating for him (and those of us here with cameras that need his expertise).
I suspect he gets a responsable amount from within the European Union as we can just put it in the post and send it without worrying about forms or tax. Brexit will have harmed him as you used to be able to similarly send stuff from the UK, but can’t anymore. However I think his business has grown lately, as he is clear on his site that waiting times are higher. Whether this is US people sending all their stuff to avoid tarifs I can’t say.

On his site he says :
« Dear friends, due to some customs problems I do not accept repair orders from outside the EU (except US repair orders sent by the Meest delivery service). Meest from US still working, but no UK now, sorry.

Dear friends, usually I have a line of orders about 12-15 parcels, but now (Feb, 18) I have in line 23 boxes waiting for process. It mean waiting around 35-40 days before I open the parcel received today. Please keep in mind about possible delay in processing your order. »
 
I am not against taxing imports and every country in the world are doing the same. I am just pissed how our leadership has gone about this in such a half assed way as if it was just a bluff never meant to be implemented.

Yeah I am on Discogs all the time gawking at pressings. But the origin courier might not care about the contents when they say “all packages” will not be accepted. Why make the distinction what is exempt when there’s no infrastructure to handle any of it?
I am just pissed how our leadership has gone about this in such a half assed way as if it was just a bluff never meant to be implemented.

Bingo.
 
I tried to start a thread about the effects of tariffs on photography months ago, but it got shut down by the mods as it was deemed that it may devolve into "politics." 🙂.

Anyway, there is no domestic film or digital camera industry to "protect" so there is no reason to tariff those goods at all, other than to fund the tax cuts going to the super wealthy. It is a shame that Ilford film prices have now risen and may continue to rise -- and now Kodak has even less incentive to compete on price (in fact, the Fuji-branded films Kodak produce have increased in price about 10-15% in the past month or so). My main hobbies in life involve the regular purchase of specialized products only made in Europe and Asia -- goods that have never been made in America and never will. In the end, we just all pay more and get nothing in return.
 
I‘ve just given it a thought or two and all I have that is made in USA is Kodak stuff, and an ice scraper for the windshield of my car (it is the best ice scraper that I‘ve ever seen). I also use a driving belt by Dayco, probably still a US company but the belt is made in Italy. I guess Europe does not import a lot from the US (except for intellectual property and „western“ culture).
Unfortunately I‘m not sure if tarifs are going to change a lot in that aspect…
 
USA has a sickness which may simply need to burn itself out.

AFAIK, in the USA, we can still have goods shipped via carriers other than the postal services, but this usually involves additional customs brokerage fees and can be rather expensive. Case in point: I had hoped to try Adox Color Mission 200 film, so I tried ordering the maximum 3 rolls per customer from Fotoimpex, but discovered that their base shipping rate was something like 45 USD. Maybe USA dealers will eventually offer some, and maybe not: The last time I checked, Freestyle, B&H and Adorama didn't even list it.
I am surprised freestyle never got it. They were selling wolfen nc400 and nc500. It was cheap enough a few months back to pick up 5 rolls of each to try out.
 
...It is a shame that Ilford film prices have now risen and may continue to rise -- and now Kodak has even less incentive to compete on price ...

My own selfish concerns are price and availability of Ilford and Kodak products. Anything else I don't need or can learn to live without.

Chris
 
I tried to start a thread about the effects of tariffs on photography months ago, but it got shut down by the mods as it was deemed that it may devolve into "politics." 🙂.

Anyway, there is no domestic film or digital camera industry to "protect" so there is no reason to tariff those goods at all, other than to fund the tax cuts going to the super wealthy. It is a shame that Ilford film prices have now risen and may continue to rise -- and now Kodak has even less incentive to compete on price (in fact, the Fuji-branded films Kodak produce have increased in price about 10-15% in the past month or so). My main hobbies in life involve the regular purchase of specialized products only made in Europe and Asia -- goods that have never been made in America and never will. In the end, we just all pay more and get nothing in return.

This is something a small, but very loud and annoying, portion of the population doesn't understand. As a hobby I produce model trains here in the U.S., the shells are 3D printed, and the mechanisms come from a variety of overseas sources. There was a lively discussion about tariffs in the model railroader community earlier this year, and it struck me that the ordinary person had no idea what it costs to set up a manufacturing business, not just in the U.S., but anywhere (amusingly the ordinary ignorant person knows all about how to do it and what it costs!). There was a small but particularly vocal contingent yelling about how it's easy to set up precision manufacturing in the U.S., citing, as usual, their feelings. They kept going on and on about the Micro-Trains, a U.S. company that produces everything in the U.S. -except of course, their motors and gears which are made overseas. We've never had an American company produce an N-scale mechanism in the U.S., and when we still had American companies making HO scale ones, they were terrible. I say this as somebody who has lovingly repaired and modified old Varney and Mantua models, to get them to run better than they ever did when new... and I still know they're terrible. There's this expectation that everything can and will be made in the U.S., by magic, and won't cost us a cent! (Kind of like how a certain other country was going to pay for a certain wall and us taxpayers wouldn't pay anything for it!).
 
As SonnarBrian points out, when I (in Australia) buy from overseas on ebay, ebay collects an additional 10% (our GST like VAT) and sends it to the Australian Tax Office. For the USA situation at the moment, it would take significant preparation of other countries' post office administration to do that. I'm wondering, in the light of possible rapid changes to rates and other likely changes in the future, if some international post offices will just not bother. Presumably private companies like Fedex will do it, but at a high price.
 
Well, it's possible that the recent Federal Court of Appeals decision invalidating most of the tariffs will stick. The Constitution does say that Congress has exclusive authority over tariffs, so maybe someone will abide by that. These days, you never know.
 
Anyone or any business would be crazy to assume responsibility for collecting tariffs as things stand currently, if for no other reason than the tariffs are so ever-changing that they are effectively unpredictable. Just look at the current lay of the land. There seems to be a different tariff or set of tariffs for every country, and they are changing literally by the day. Our current policy makers appear to be setting and then rescinding them by fiat, whim and instinct, but without any solid economic plan or forethought. If there's one thing almost universally detested by businesses, it's economic uncertainty or unpredictability, which makes planning for the future very difficult if not impossible.
 
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This is something a small, but very loud and annoying, portion of the population doesn't understand. As a hobby I produce model trains here in the U.S., the shells are 3D printed, and the mechanisms come from a variety of overseas sources. There was a lively discussion about tariffs in the model railroader community earlier this year, and it struck me that the ordinary person had no idea what it costs to set up a manufacturing business, not just in the U.S., but anywhere (amusingly the ordinary ignorant person knows all about how to do it and what it costs!). There was a small but particularly vocal contingent yelling about how it's easy to set up precision manufacturing in the U.S., citing, as usual, their feelings. They kept going on and on about the Micro-Trains, a U.S. company that produces everything in the U.S. -except of course, their motors and gears which are made overseas. We've never had an American company produce an N-scale mechanism in the U.S., and when we still had American companies making HO scale ones, they were terrible. I say this as somebody who has lovingly repaired and modified old Varney and Mantua models, to get them to run better than they ever did when new... and I still know they're terrible. There's this expectation that everything can and will be made in the U.S., by magic, and won't cost us a cent! (Kind of like how a certain other country was going to pay for a certain wall and us taxpayers wouldn't pay anything for it!).

What you are citing is the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is rampant at all levels.
 
Typically a power granted by the Constitution cannot be changed by an act of Congress or by laws passed by the states. In practice, it does happen, particularly if the practice is allowed to continue without being tested by a challenge in court, often at the highest levels, i.e. the U.S. Supreme Court. But in today's judicial environment, in which the Supreme Court seems more political than judicial, the best bet is that they will side with the current Executive, as they have so often done recently.

But the basic idea is similar to having Congress pass a law prohibiting or severely infringing on our First Amendment right of free speech. In principle, any such law should be unconstitutional. Similarly, if the President issues an executive order or takes some action to interfere with our right of free speech, that order or action would be unconstitutional.

I haven't studied the provisions of the Constitution relating to Tariffs, so I don't profess to know what powers are reserved to Congress and what are permitted to the Executive. Just discussing basic constitutional principles.
 
...when we still had American companies making HO scale ones, they were terrible. I say this as somebody who has lovingly repaired and modified old Varney and Mantua models, to get them to run better than they ever did when new... and I still know they're terrible.
Speaking of model railroading, IIRC Athearn did not lose to China, the founder's heirs sold the company, probably because selling seemed like a more attractive option than operating a hobby manufacturing company. In the USA, people like having the freedom to invent themselves, rather than being pressured into taking over a generations-old company, unless it happens to be the most attractive option.
 
I wish everyone well but at this point I think I am in pretty good shape. In a tiny market like ours the ability to use the international markets is almost a requirement but because it seems that everything goes in and out of stock almost daily I tend to stock up on important supplies anyway.

I have all the cameras and lenses I could ever possibly use so I won't need to buy any of those items. If something breaks and I need to have it repaired overseas then I guess I'll have to wait and save my money like always. I do think my Rochester, Intrepid and Contax II will continue working for a decade or two so the important things are covered.

I just checked BHPhoto and I can still get film (which I really don't need right now), printing paper (which I always need) and most chemicals for working with both. Prices are still too high but that is a constant which never seems to change. It looks like printing paper from Ilford, which I typically buy in largish quantities when I need it, is still in stock and available.

Right now I am doing OK, but just like everyone I could run out of certain things if this continues too long. Chemicals are always a concern but so far everything I typically use is still in stock. I hope it stays that way. My biggest concern is with Ilford. I hope their business stays healthy.

Good luck everyone. Eventually this will work out, it almost always does. Compared to the digital collapse these difficulties seem pretty minor so far.
 
I'd hate to trivialize this by making it seem like not being able to buy old cameras and lenses is the sole effect of this. Right now there is a confluence of stupidity in American politics, that is creating a whirlpool of economic ruin that will last decades... but I'll leave the specifics for some other forum.

The trade deficit spiel is really rather stupid. Just for example, the U.S. has never produced a commercially successful precision 35mm camera. So we put tariffs on cameras. For what reason? Is Leica Camera AG going to leave Germany and build a new factory in the U.S. if we make it harder for them to do business here? If the government artificially shrinks their market, are they going to build cameras for Americans in America? And could that even happen? What if one of Leica engineers or experts shared a meme of JD Vance? Would we bar them from entering the country for having a sense of humor? (apparently freedom of speech is dead, we already see people getting fired left and right for the the pettiest reasons... the biggest promoter of ending the de minimis exemption got fired because he attended the wedding of somebody who criticized trump, and no, I'm not joking).

Well who knows, maybe Argus will come back and build a few more C3s.
 
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