f16sunshine
Moderator
I think you meant to say ...
Is this the 18MP sensor in the alleged M9?
Is this the 18MP sensor in the alleged M9?
f16sunshine
Moderator
Yes it is what I meant.
If so not FF
"• 22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor"
If so not FF
"• 22.3 x 14.9 mm CMOS sensor"
I think you meant to say ...
Is this the 18MP sensor in the alleged M9?
swoop
Well-known
No way. 1.6x crop is unacceptable.
f16sunshine
Moderator
Fully disagree if the rest of the specs come with.
ISO to 6400. If that means clean 1600 I would take it . As mostly enviremental Portait shooter FF is not a major priority.
Still I doubt this Leica has dropped Kodak. This sure puts some sense to the Canon/Leica room whores.
mrisney
Well-known
ISO is up to 6400, according to DPReview specs. Yet image taken from clip, shows ISO 4000 as limit.
aizan
Veteran
not bad. 100% viewfinder, higher magnification, etc. etc.
Ken Shipman
Well-known
I don't think Leica is going to just plop an existing sensor - anybody's sensor - into one of their cameras. I think it's going to be a derivative at minimum, if not a custom job altogether. Looking at the characteristics of existing sensors - 5D, 7D, etc - they might bear some resemblance to Leica's version in some ways, but take the specs with a grain of salt. We'll get the real scoop on the 9th.
Mephiloco
Well-known
Will bet money that that is not the sensor in the M9. Although it would make sense for Canon (or Nikon) to provide Leica with a sensor, I don't think Leica would go after one due to their relationship with Panasonic and Kodak.
Canon/Nikon could possibly do well to let Leica use one of their sensors, as it would help cover the R&D and the final product really wouldn't detract from their EOS sales. Essentially they'd be getting a share of a competitor's profits without losing market share. On the other hand, I'm not sure how tempting the prospect is to Canon, as the M9 sales would be a drop in the bucket compared to the sales of their DSLR's and point and shoots, but still, if the sensor is already developed, and they can get it into a market they're currently not tapping and not interfere with current/future products of their own, I don't see why they wouldn't.
Anyways, I don't think Canon is going to let another company use their new cutting edge sensor in their own cameras. I think it'd be bad for both companies, as whichever camera is cheaper, sales of the more expensive one would be hit by criticism such as 'Yeah but for $5000 cheaper you can get the same sensor of the m9 in the 7D'. Not 'a very similiar sensor' but the exact same one. They'd have to be different just to make criticisms just like that more difficult
Canon/Nikon could possibly do well to let Leica use one of their sensors, as it would help cover the R&D and the final product really wouldn't detract from their EOS sales. Essentially they'd be getting a share of a competitor's profits without losing market share. On the other hand, I'm not sure how tempting the prospect is to Canon, as the M9 sales would be a drop in the bucket compared to the sales of their DSLR's and point and shoots, but still, if the sensor is already developed, and they can get it into a market they're currently not tapping and not interfere with current/future products of their own, I don't see why they wouldn't.
Anyways, I don't think Canon is going to let another company use their new cutting edge sensor in their own cameras. I think it'd be bad for both companies, as whichever camera is cheaper, sales of the more expensive one would be hit by criticism such as 'Yeah but for $5000 cheaper you can get the same sensor of the m9 in the 7D'. Not 'a very similiar sensor' but the exact same one. They'd have to be different just to make criticisms just like that more difficult
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
No way. I hear Samsung is going to launch an 18 Mp cellphone on September 9th. Leica will use that sensor for the M9.
Ken Shipman
Well-known
Wow...a full frame sensor? That will be one big phone.
leicashot
Well-known
seriously, who cares. right now, there is no M9, and whatever sensor it has, it just has and no posting or pre-release speculation wil change that. May these wasteful threads die a quick death, and the 9-9-9 date come sooner.
HenningW
Well-known
Wow...a full frame sensor? That will be one big phone.
Yeah, but with the folded optic 20-200 f/11 zoom it'll be be the size of an iphone.
Another thing... if you have the pixel density of the 7D scaled up to FF, you get a 45Mp sensor. That'll challenge the optics. The Canon EF-S optics are going to be struggling a bit to take advantage of that sort of resolution.
Steve Ash
Established
7D? It isn't a rangefinder. It has not M-mount. I do not mind at all!
Regards
Steve
Regards
Steve
swoop
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jarski
Veteran
hmm smaller digits in Canon line up means better specs. gues that explains why 5D Mk2 has full frame sensor and this doesnt.
if this is wider tendency, I can forget my hopes that Nikon would introduce full frame successor of D90 this fall
if this is wider tendency, I can forget my hopes that Nikon would introduce full frame successor of D90 this fall
Gaspar
Established
Amazing how they managed a 1:1 viewfinder! There has to be some jiggery pokery in that.
Turtle
Veteran
FF appeals to me, 1.6 x crop does not. Bought a 350D ages ago and resolved to wait until 20MP and FF, so will prob get a 5D Mk2. Interested to see what the M9 is like too, but bracing myself for an obscene price. Hopefully not bec a FF M9 would give me everything I did not dare hope for: seamless digital integration with my film Ms, down to FL, DOF etc
delft
Established
It's done with mirrors / pentaprisms! If you read the fine print, you'll see that the 1:1 VF is for a 50mm lens at infinity. Since the 7D has a 1.6 crop factor, this really means a 1:1.6 viewfinder.
Dirk
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Andy,
Why would it be?
Cheers,
R.
Why would it be?
Cheers,
R.