Upgrade policy revamped

[usayit]

"Only diamond is harder than the sapphire glass used by Leica and Leica is the only camera manufacturer who has succeeded in using this material for the coverglass of their LCD screen. The advantage of a surface immune to scratches from contact with metal, stone or sand speak for themselves: an undisturbed, brilliant view on an LCD screen that looks new even after years of use."

Surface immune to scratches from metal, stone or sand. None of which imply brittleness nor materials "harder" than Sapphire glass. I've literally seen people take keys (metal) to their sapphire crystals with no problem. I would assume that stone (rocks) and sand will also be no problem.

BUT

It doesn't mean it will withstand a hammer ( METAL ) at full force.

 

[usayit]

I'm new around here.. but am I missing something? Just checking past threads it dawns on me that Sitemistic spends a lot of time here despite not liking the M8 at all.

I'm starting to realize that I'm banging my head against the resident Oscar the Grouch.

 

[usayit]

It will scratch if other hard materials are used... diamonds.. other watches with sapphire glass, other surfaces with "man-made materials that incorporate silicon carbide" (whatever that means...).

 

[usayit]

I'm done talking about the sapphire crystal.. I am no expert just working of google which you have access to.

http://www.europastar.com/europastar/watch_tech/watchcrystals.jsp

I'm assuming since you said "school" you know how to read and use the internet.

 

[back alley]

usayit, there are others who have expressed the same opinions about the M8 and the issues surrounding it that I have. Some multiple times. Without opinion and conjecture, this forum would be reduced to little but threads of FSU porn.

but they don't do it as a vocation!

every thread is the sos!

we get it.

 

[alan davus]

Sitemistic should rename himself Dogmatistic but I'm convinced someone who stirs the pot as much as he does either is just playing the devils advocate or enjoys rubbing people the wrong way. Love Leica or loathe them they kept the rangefinder candle burning all those years when everyone else had given them away and it's probably fair to say without Leica there would have been no rangefinder renaissance and thus no CV or Zeiss.

 

[back alley]

you can be a one trick pony for so long and then we bye-bye...you choose.

joe

 

[rover]

With 2600 posts you are looking for shorter threads? That would give you less to be miserable about????

 

[back alley]

Well, Joe. That's up to you. If you want to ban me, go for it. It's your party.

no, it's more your call than mine.

in case you have not noticed there is a small army of folks who are very tired of your act, day in and day out.

joe

 

[trev2401]

sigh.. just get on with it guys... sitemistic, if you oh so hate the M8, or enjoy throwing *** on anything related to the M8, fly to germany and throw *** at the managing ppl there... not here.... 🙁

 

[alan davus]

There are a lot of threads on the same old stuff. Like Lee's firing and Leica upgrades. And everyone is talking about the same stuff in most of them. Perhaps each person participating in a thread could be given one post to express their opinion and one post to disagree. That would be democratic and make all the threads much shorter.

Couldn't agree more. So many of these Leica threads become like your average pop tune, the same 2 or 3 chords and 2 or 3 lines repeated over and over again until after a while they just peter out. Maybe we need two extra Leica forums, one for those who want to be positive and one for those who want to bag them.

 

[John Noble]

Then I must assume you are not Rolex's demographic.

Well, you'd be making a bad assumption, though I prefer Omega when it comes to mid-market watches. The trouble with most of the Swatch Group (makers of both Omega and Hamilton) and Rolex stuff is that with few exceptions price is no longer related to quality/cost of manufacture: they are both marketing-driven assembly line commodity companies with luxury prices.

Patek, at least, still has a lot of Olde World Craftsmanship behind the price.

You can draw whatever parallels with Leica you like.

Why do I wear a cheap Hammie? My surgically-repaired left wrist won't tolerate a heavy automatic, and there aren't many thin/light wind-ups on the market.

ErikFive is right.... no one is cramming this stuff down your throat. I'm a happy M8 camper... the only thing that ruins the experience is this forum. But for some unknown reason... I keep coming back for more.

More power to you if you feel like you got your money's worth. As far as the M8, I can totally see where the price comes from: low volume production, sagging dollar, high R&D costs, complex product support, etc.

What I can't see is $1,100.00 for a piece of sapphire sheet and an extended warranty.

Nor do I see why a steel Submariner or Seamaster costs at least 3 times what they should.

 

[photogdave]

You're not debating if you just keep repeating the same point over and over and over and over...
...in multiple threads no less!

 

[rover]

As there is no place for singling out any member as a topic of discussion I am closing this thread for a while to let it cool.

I will reopen it tomorrow for continuation of OT discussion.

 

[Cranialpush]

So I'm not really sure what the problem is in my posting my opinions. I can't debate a point longer than someone else is involved in also debating it. So for every exchange I'm involved in, there is at least one and often many involved in that same exchange. It's your logic that confuses me.

Speaking personally I find the majority of your postings to be succession of quick jibes that degrade any topic debated on these forums. Most upsetting is that with your apparent experience I could learn something from your participation in these topics, if I were able to do just that - learn. I am happy to be taught the limitations of my choice of kit, but perhaps not in the bruising manner you seem to have adopted.

Perhaps it's time to close this thread and start a new day, and perhaps look forward to some constructive input?

🙂

 

[etrigan63]

Getting back to the original topic, I think the unbundling of the upgrades will make it more attractive to some and falls more in line with the "a la carte" program. Who knows, you may see an M8 a la carte announced at Photokina!

 

[aizan]

the point some people are forgetting is that being able to skip the costly sapphire glass cover upgrade makes getting the new shutter much more attractive. this is an excellent decision on leica's part.

 

[infocusf8@earthlink.]

New VS Original Shutter

New VS Original Shutter

Has Leica posted any facts regarding the number of actuations on the original shutter and the new one before service is recommended? It would be interesting to know before purchasing the new one if it is rated higher than the original since Leica are claiming it is a better shutter mechanism.

 

[Mistral]

I put 3M clear 0.8mil UV stable tape over my glass on day one. It is not of course optically as good as an unscratched std glass, but I don't use the preview there for anything apart from basic framing reassurance and exp. Time will tell if when I come to remove it, it's all gooey with adhesive, but this protects the glass and does the "trick" for a few cents. No bubbles either.

 

[Tuolumne]

My Nikon D200 came with a plastic protective cover over the LCD. I say it's plastic, but who knows, it might be sapphire, diamond or even Kryptonite for all I know. It has no detectable scratches on its surface, and of course the LCD glass beneath it is pristine. It was free. That seems about the right price to pay for something like this. I think people who buy that upgrade are insane. I think Leica is an ass for even offering it. I put it in the same category as the gold M6 the Sultan of Brunei's brother has. Pointless if you can afford; pointless if you can't.

/T