Voigtlander 50/1.1 Arrived!

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My brand new 50/1.1 arrived from CameraQuest. Looking forward to taking it out over the long holiday weekend.

I'm using it on an M6. Only have Tri-X, so I'll be sure to post some samples over the next few days with Tri-X developed in Rodinal. I usually use my Jobo CPE-2+ with Rodinal @ 1:50 for about 15 mins or so.

First impressions of the lens on the camera: wow, this is a big lens. My sleek little M6 suddenly looks like a DSLR!
 
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Now we will have 69 threads about their new CV 50/1.1 arriving - are you all trying to make us jealous? 😉
 
I have to be honest...

I am completely unimpressed with the new Nokton 50mm f1.1. Mine arrived this morning from Scott at Mainline Photographics, I took it out of the box, looked at it briefly, stuck on the front of the M5 and have not bothered with it since. Most of the images I have seen so far could have been taken with a Nokton 1.5, Summilux, Sonnar 1.5, Nikkor 1.4 or any other decent fast 50mm. This lens has left me completely cold... and I was probably the first person to pre-pay in full on the forum for the new Nokton.

The new Nokton is very nicely built, smooth, solid, very, very nice. Lighter than my 35/1.2 but slightly bulkier. All in all, probably the best value for money for a very fast 50mm going at the moment. Focusing is lighter and silkier than the 35/1.2. Without the hood, it imposes less into the 50mm frame-lines than the 35/1.2 does into the 35mm frame-lines.

I can't find a single fault with the Nokton 50/1.1... so why the cold-shoulder?

For one, I am grumpy that the Nokton is only f1.1. I know, I know, it is only a little thing, but it feels like a runner-up, an also ran, a half-hearted attempt, like Cosina had the expertise and technology to reach f1.0 but in the end did not have the courage or guts to really pull off a winner. One of my pet peeves is that Cosina has this thing for odd apertures, the Nokton 50/1.5, why not f1.4? Cosina made an absolute ripper with the 35/1.2, that lens is an undisputed feather in the collective hats of the Cosina optical engineers! This not about unseating the Noctilux or being a Leica killer, it is about meeting my expectations, I suppose. But before you flame me, remember, I put my money where my mouth is. I am not criticising the Nokton from the sidelines. Truth is... I still want a 50mm f1.0 lens.

You have to give Cosina credit where credit is due, the fastest 50mm from the CV stable was f1.5, whether Nokton or Sonnar, and Cosina has bettered their 50mm offerings by a full stop. So well done! And before I sound like completely heartless, ungrateful b@$tard, I think Cosina deserves all the accolades and praise that we can give them for making available a new, super-fast 50mm that is affordable. Go buy one if for no other reason than to support the company that truly supports rangefinder photography by providing affordable, new entry level rangefinder cameras and lens.

Maybe my indifference toward the Nokton 50/1.1 is consequence of recent changes in my photography in general...

The inadequacy of the 35mm negative. Recently I have become less and less satisfied with the quality of enlargements from 35mm negatives and as result have been shooting more medium format and even making 4x5 my format of choice.

The Nokton 50/1.1 seems absolutely tiny in comparison to the lens I have been working with of late... such as the Carl Meyer 5" f2 and Kodak Aero-Ektar 7" f2,5, in fact, the Nokton would practically drop straight through the apertures of both lens with room to spare. So the Nokton fails to even make me go, 'Wow!'.

And, recently, equipment has become a lot less important. Some of my best recent work has been done with a Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/2 6x9 folder that I bought for $30 at the Sunday markets. It has an uncoated 10.5cm f4,5 lens that you focus by guessing. Go figure...

So in summary, the Noton 50/1.1 is a lenses that I hope earns my respect as time goes by. I have not 'fallen in love' with it so to speak like some of my other lenses, Nokton 35/1.2, Heliar 50/3.5, Nikkor 180/2.8, Nikkor 35/1.4, Noritar 80/2. Meyer-Optik 300/4, to name a few. These are lenses that just clicked with me and instantly become favorites that I have used to make some of my best photographs.

I will hit the streets of Sydney tonight with the Nokton and a few rolls of Tri-X or whatever is handy. See we shall see... time will tell.
 
I have to be honest...

I am completely unimpressed with the new Nokton 50mm f1.1. Mine arrived this morning from Scott at Mainline Photographics, I took it out of the box, looked at it briefly, stuck on the front of the M5 and have not bothered with it since. Most of the images I have seen so far could have been taken with a Nokton 1.5, Summilux, Sonnar 1.5, Nikkor 1.4 or any other decent fast 50mm. This lens has left me completely cold... and I was probably the first person to pre-pay in full on the forum for the new Nokton.

........

Dear P. Lynn Miller,

could u share a pic of the Nokton on a M5? I am curious how good it looks on the M5.
 
The CV50/1.5 has an actual maxium aperture of 1.6 as someone reported. And I believe the reason why it's 1.5 not a 1.4 is not to avoid competition with Leica Summilux but the old "holy" nokton is 50/1.5.
 
I have to be honest...

I am completely unimpressed with the new Nokton 50mm f1.1. Mine arrived this morning from Scott at Mainline Photographics, I took it out of the box, looked at it briefly, stuck on the front of the M5 and have not bothered with it since. Most of the images I have seen so far could have been taken with a Nokton 1.5, Summilux, Sonnar 1.5, Nikkor 1.4 or any other decent fast 50mm. This lens has left me completely cold... and I was probably the first person to pre-pay in full on the forum for the new Nokton.

The new Nokton is very nicely built, smooth, solid, very, very nice. Lighter than my 35/1.2 but slightly bulkier. All in all, probably the best value for money for a very fast 50mm going at the moment. Focusing is lighter and silkier than the 35/1.2. Without the hood, it imposes less into the 50mm frame-lines than the 35/1.2 does into the 35mm frame-lines.

I can't find a single fault with the Nokton 50/1.1... so why the cold-shoulder?

For one, I am grumpy that the Nokton is only f1.1. I know, I know, it is only a little thing, but it feels like a runner-up, an also ran, a half-hearted attempt, like Cosina had the expertise and technology to reach f1.0 but in the end did not have the courage or guts to really pull off a winner. One of my pet peeves is that Cosina has this thing for odd apertures, the Nokton 50/1.5, why not f1.4? Cosina made an absolute ripper with the 35/1.2, that lens is an undisputed feather in the collective hats of the Cosina optical engineers! This not about unseating the Noctilux or being a Leica killer, it is about meeting my expectations, I suppose. But before you flame me, remember, I put my money where my mouth is. I am not criticising the Nokton from the sidelines. Truth is... I still want a 50mm f1.0 lens.

You have to give Cosina credit where credit is due, the fastest 50mm from the CV stable was f1.5, whether Nokton or Sonnar, and Cosina has bettered their 50mm offerings by a full stop. So well done! And before I sound like completely heartless, ungrateful b@$tard, I think Cosina deserves all the accolades and praise that we can give them for making available a new, super-fast 50mm that is affordable. Go buy one if for no other reason than to support the company that truly supports rangefinder photography by providing affordable, new entry level rangefinder cameras and lens.

Maybe my indifference toward the Nokton 50/1.1 is consequence of recent changes in my photography in general...

The inadequacy of the 35mm negative. Recently I have become less and less satisfied with the quality of enlargements from 35mm negatives and as result have been shooting more medium format and even making 4x5 my format of choice.

The Nokton 50/1.1 seems absolutely tiny in comparison to the lens I have been working with of late... such as the Carl Meyer 5" f2 and Kodak Aero-Ektar 7" f2,5, in fact, the Nokton would practically drop straight through the apertures of both lens with room to spare. So the Nokton fails to even make me go, 'Wow!'.

And, recently, equipment has become a lot less important. Some of my best recent work has been done with a Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/2 6x9 folder that I bought for $30 at the Sunday markets. It has an uncoated 10.5cm f4,5 lens that you focus by guessing. Go figure...

So in summary, the Noton 50/1.1 is a lenses that I hope earns my respect as time goes by. I have not 'fallen in love' with it so to speak like some of my other lenses, Nokton 35/1.2, Heliar 50/3.5, Nikkor 180/2.8, Nikkor 35/1.4, Noritar 80/2. Meyer-Optik 300/4, to name a few. These are lenses that just clicked with me and instantly become favorites that I have used to make some of my best photographs.

I will hit the streets of Sydney tonight with the Nokton and a few rolls of Tri-X or whatever is handy. See we shall see... time will tell.


It's good that although you jumped straight in and got this lens you're not all starry eyed about it ... and who knows you may grow to like it and respect it.

I thought about the Nokton briefly then decided that the new folder, if it's really good, will be getting my gear lust attention!
 
For one, I am grumpy that the Nokton is only f1.1. I know, I know, it is only a little thing, but it feels like a runner-up, an also ran, a half-hearted attempt, like Cosina had the expertise and technology to reach f1.0 but in the end did not have the courage or guts to really pull off a winner. One of my pet peeves is that Cosina has this thing for odd apertures, the Nokton 50/1.5, why not f1.4? Cosina made an absolute ripper with the 35/1.2, that lens is an undisputed feather in the collective hats of the Cosina optical engineers! This not about unseating the Noctilux or being a Leica killer, it is about meeting my expectations, I suppose. But before you flame me, remember, I put my money where my mouth is. I am not criticising the Nokton from the sidelines. Truth is... I still want a 50mm f1.0 lens.

There was a writeup about the logi behind the design in the latest Asahi Camera magazine. The Cosina engineers stuck with f1.1 because this aperture *apparently* gives the best compromise between cost and size. Increase the aperture to f1 and price shoots way up, as does the price. Decrease the aperture, and the lens becomes too slow to be considered "high speed".
 
Some quick samples.

Tri-X 400 @ 200
Leica M6
VC 50/1.1

Rodinal 1:50 @ 75F for 15 minutes
Jobo CPE2+ rotary processor

Epson 4490

(All were taken @ 1.1)


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Mmh... these samples seem just to prove P. Lynn Millers point above.

Does this look "faster" than the 50/1.5 Nokton? I dont see it.

I think I´m still pi**ed Cosina did not simply copy the old Noctilux formula and bring us an affordable lens with straight WOW, vignetting, bokeh, character. :/

Was the market really looking for a superfast lens that draws like any other standard lens? Then why are people paying so much premium for Canons 50/0.95, the Noctiluxes or the Noct-Nikkor?
 
not very impressive its more like a canon 50 f/1.4 screwmount. i thought nocti is going to have a rival but seems nokton 1.1 is not anything special at all. the background is not blown up enough, something one should expect from f/1.1 ??
 
Actually the lens seems to act a lot like the Canon EF 50 1.2 (for slrs). The Canon cost about $1300, but it focuses as close as 0.45 meter instead of 1 meter.
 
I have to be honest...

.......For one, I am grumpy that the Nokton is only f1.1. I know, I know, it is only a little thing, but it feels like a runner-up, an also ran, a half-hearted attempt, like Cosina had the expertise and technology to reach f1.0 but in the end did not have the courage or guts to really pull off a winner.........

........I will hit the streets of Sydney tonight with the Nokton and a few rolls of Tri-X or whatever is handy. See we shall see... time will tell.

It is well known that the real aperture of lenses is sometimes a bit smaller than its name would suggest. My most careful measurements with my 1.1 on my M6TTL lead me to conclude that the lens is 2/3 of a stop wider than a true f1.4 lens. Which makes it a true 1.1 in my book.

It's interesting how much bigger a lens has to be to be 2/3 of a stop wider (f1.1 compared to f1.4). Sure f1 would have been nice, but the lens would have been bigger and either more expensive or with more deficiencies in terms of aberrations or low contrast. As it is, the lens seems to be a bit less contrasty at f1.1 compared to f1.4.

I am very pleased that I have the lens: one of my pet peeves is focus accuracy and focus shift, and this lens performs very well based on some initial tests with 25 speed black and white, tripod etc. There is a little focus shift with aperture changes but not to the point where it could cause any problem at all. It is much better than the Noctilux f1 in this regard. The increase in depth of field on stopping down is mostly behind the point of focus, and that suits me fine. I sent back a Sonnar-C because of focus shift, but the f1.1 is very good in this regard.

Now that my nit-picking tests are over, I will enjoy this lens with confidence that it meets my expectations.
 
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