anerjee
Well-known
Perhaps they’ve moved the state of the art forward enough to strike a more acceptable balance between price, performance and size. One can hope.
aizan
Veteran
Let's be greedy. 
Instead of a 28 f/2.8 the size of a Canon LTM with updated optical performance:
f/2.5
:angel:
Instead of a 28 f/2.8 the size of a Canon LTM with updated optical performance:
f/2.5
:angel:
kram
Well-known
F2.5 not quite 1/2 stop faster than f2.8, needs to be f2.4
zenza
Well-known
Summilux is too big and about 20x what I'd ever consider paying for a lens.
The Chinese ones are equally as big. Don't really understand the point of shooting with a RF if the plan is to slap huge lenses on the camera. Like other users in this thread have suggested, wish a company would stop chasing speed and reintroduce a nice 28 with a 2.8 aperture. Leica is the only option in that category as far as current production goes.
That'd be very cool! A little 28/2.5 Skopar.Let's be greedy.
Instead of a 28 f/2.8 the size of a Canon LTM with updated optical performance:
f/2.5
:angel:
Doesn't Zeiss make a 28mm F2.8?
james.liam
Well-known
They do, older symmetrical design, but not compact.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
Even with the hood attached, compact enough for me. It's a fantastic lens, both on film, and cropped rangefinders. Cheers, OtL
itf
itchy trigger finger
The zeiss is optimised for being too big. It's about 40mm long. The Olympus OM 28/2.8 is 50mm including the mirror box. The 28 skopar is 20mm without the hood, Ricoh GR Ltm is about the same but f2.8.
Edit: a couple of posts appeared before my post went up. Didn't mean to be that rude. Meant to be light-hearted.
Edit: a couple of posts appeared before my post went up. Didn't mean to be that rude. Meant to be light-hearted.
james.liam
Well-known
Agreed, but there’s no proverbial free lunch. The tiny and excellent lenses are part of the RF charm but f/1.4 does come in handy now and again
zenza
Well-known
Yep, and as pointed out by you there are a range of options from expensive and cheap for fast wide lenses. There are only expensive options for normal speed wides.
kram
Well-known
Would love the Leica 28mm f1.4 but now way can I afford a scondhand one. VC could do a good one for £1000. Looking at the reviews of the Chinese one, not that great at the wider aperatures (what do you expect for the price). RF fast lens are a hell of a lot smaller than D/SLR jobbies. Sigma 28mm 1.4 double the weight of Leica. The Leica Asph 28mm f2.8 is small, ZM a bit bigger. VC could do one the same size a Leica (Apo plese. If the lens gets too small, they get fiddly to use. I seem to prefer lenses with minimal distortion, and sharp...Note: Minolta G-Rokkor and Rioch 28mm in 39mm mount small but pigging expensive on the second hand market.
. If the lens gets too small, they get fiddly to use. I seem to prefer lenses with minimal distortion, and sharp...Note: Minolta G-Rokkor and Rioch 28mm in 39mm mount small but pigging expensive on the second hand market.
nzeeman
Well-known
i didnt write correctly.. i meant no sense for two f2 lenses-i wpuld prefer f2 apo and f1.4 small and no distortion but soft (so basically opposite of f1.4 that they make... i mean in optical quality - i like size of it)
Archlich
Well-known
Leica has two 50/2 lenses at different price points. Soon there will be a second 35/2 (the rumored APO-Summicron-M 35) too. Like the 50 APO cron, the later would mainly cater to the higher pixel count sensors.
Makes sense for CV to be heading in that direction too.
BTW I think the 35 Nokton II is a very nice lens. Fixed lots of issues of the v1.
FrozenInTime
Well-known
The 35 APO will be interesting ; guess currently the closest thing to an ideal 35mm lens is the ZM 35/2.8.
I do feel where Voigtlander is missing out is in APS-C coverage lenses:
I would like to see some compact f/2 small image circle optimized M-mount lenses - ready for adapting to the Leica CL and Fuji X-series. Seems to me like a better use of resources than making m4/3 specific lenses.
I do feel where Voigtlander is missing out is in APS-C coverage lenses:
I would like to see some compact f/2 small image circle optimized M-mount lenses - ready for adapting to the Leica CL and Fuji X-series. Seems to me like a better use of resources than making m4/3 specific lenses.
raid
Dad Photographer
The ZM 35/2 must be close to perfection. The first version Summicron 35/2 is a great lens. The replica of this lens is also an excellent lens. The Canon 35/2 is compact and excellent.
There are many excellent 35/2 available.
There are many excellent 35/2 available.
D&A
Well-known
Would love the Leica 28mm f1.4 but now way can I afford a scondhand one. VC could do a good one for £1000. Looking at the reviews of the Chinese one, not that great at the wider aperatures (what do you expect for the price). RF fast lens are a hell of a lot smaller than D/SLR jobbies. Sigma 28mm 1.4 double the weight of Leica. The Leica Asph 28mm f2.8 is small, ZM a bit bigger. VC could do one the same size a Leica (Apo plese
I cannot speak for other samples of the 7 Artisans 28mm f1.4 lens, but the one I have and have rigorously tested at every whole f-stop and 3 different distances, has confirmed what many others have found. Wide open its more than "quite sharp....actually remarkably good. Even sides and edges are more than acceptable and this is with pixel peeing at 100%. Yes there is a touch of softness, especially away from the center part of the frame, but very useable except for when needing to have landscape quality of sharpness from edge to edge (this all at f1.4). From there, when stopped down even to f2, its quite exceptional...excellent sharpness across the frame. When one considers its price, its a bargin. To get this level of performance, its important to self calibrate the lens to the body(ies) its to being used on...a process that doesn't take long with the supplied screw driver and chart. These comments are made with actual use of the lens.
With that said, it's big, heavy but fairly well built and I would much prefer a much smaller 28mm f2 without the focus shift often seen in the 28mm f2 Ultron..and oh yea in silver. I'm hoping for a redesign of the VC 28mm f2 in the future.
The Leica 28mm f2 was/is an exceptionally good lens and well balanced in most parameters...simply expensive.
I have tried 4 samples of the Zeiss Zm 28mm f2.8 and wide open has exceptional center sharpness but that quickly falls off as one moves away from the center of the frame resulting in quite soft but very even sides and corners, so stopping down to start with at f4, is only way to get reasonable sharpness across the entire frame.
Dave (D&A)
astrobuoy
Established
This reminds me that Skyllaney Opto-Mechanics were exploring the possibility of a Sonnar-derived compact 28mm f/2.8 or faster, though it wasn't clear that the Sonnar formula could be stretched to work at such a wide angle. I applaud them for even considering it, but who knows how many years it would be until this lens came out, if ever.
From the article where it's mentioned: "There are already discussions of what that next lens will be. At the moment, we plan on either doing an ultra-compact 28mm or a 85mm f/1.4 portrait lens next, which would be native M mount also. The portrait lens would be early Planar formula based (simliar to the Contax version), while we are interested to see if a 28mm Sonnar derivative lens could be designed sucessfully. We know Mizakisan struggled with this, and maybe we will also have to abandon this hope, but we shall have to wait and see. Ideally, our ultra-compact 28mm would be between f/2 to f/2.8 aperture, no larger then a M mount bayonet cap when mounted on the cameras, and ofcourse include a finger tab for quick focusing."
From the article where it's mentioned: "There are already discussions of what that next lens will be. At the moment, we plan on either doing an ultra-compact 28mm or a 85mm f/1.4 portrait lens next, which would be native M mount also. The portrait lens would be early Planar formula based (simliar to the Contax version), while we are interested to see if a 28mm Sonnar derivative lens could be designed sucessfully. We know Mizakisan struggled with this, and maybe we will also have to abandon this hope, but we shall have to wait and see. Ideally, our ultra-compact 28mm would be between f/2 to f/2.8 aperture, no larger then a M mount bayonet cap when mounted on the cameras, and ofcourse include a finger tab for quick focusing."
Archlich
Well-known
They'd basically be after Ludwig Bertele's original, non-symmetrical Biogon 35/2.8 from 1934, which was Sonnar-derived (essentially a Sonnar with a overgrown rear groups).
Indeed it would be quite a stretch, especially if they want to make it faster.
