Ron G
Member
I have to jump in here with both feet.I have asked this elsewhere and also on this forum and probably have mislabled the thread but has anybody been able to identify the lubricants referenced in the Synchro Compur service manual?
I like to restore the Bessamatics and would like to use the correct lubricants or more than likely a better substitute if I could only know what was used originally.Thanks.Ron G
I like to restore the Bessamatics and would like to use the correct lubricants or more than likely a better substitute if I could only know what was used originally.Thanks.Ron G
Marc James Small
Member
I have no clue. I am crude enough to use J C Penny axle grease for most of my camera lubrication purposes, but those who know better do things more finely than I do. There is a dedicated scholar of things Compur on the Rollei List, Richard Knoppow, and I shall ask him. He is a certain and ready source of information on Deckel shutters.
I am going to have to buy some JC Penney Axle Grease and give it a look. I've been using vacuum pump grease for helicals.
For Compur shutters, most people get pointed to watch oil.
For Compur shutters, most people get pointed to watch oil.
>For those of you using axle grease you may want to know that it will outgas and
>destroy your lens at one point or another. Not a good idea.
That is one advantage of the vacuum pump grease- it is not going to outgas. It is heavy, and I use it for loose Russian helicals.
>destroy your lens at one point or another. Not a good idea.
That is one advantage of the vacuum pump grease- it is not going to outgas. It is heavy, and I use it for loose Russian helicals.
Marc James Small
Member
Shucks, if you do not abuse your lens by exposing it to outre climatic conditions, outgassing of wheel-bearing grease is not an issue. I rebuilt the 2.8/18cm CZJ Sonnar T I use on my Hasselblad 2000 FCM (special adapter) in 1995, and I just checked it -- no problems at all, and the glass is clean as clean can reasonably be.
As to Compur lubricants, the consensus from the Compur experts on the Rollei List is that Compur shutters ought to run as dry as they can -- if you shoot firearms, think of that sort of lubrication, just the slightest and lightest oil possible, with a dollop of grease on the actual gears. Watchmaker's oil -- you can find this at most watch repair stores and gun stores have a close equivalent; in a pinch, 3-in-1 might do -- and some light silicone grease for the gearing. I am sorry that I cannot be more specific, as none of the guys who responded could give me details on the grease, other than to use it VERY sparingly and carefully.
If you wish, contact me by a private message, and I will put you in touch with the guys who responded: a couple of these folks have overhauled Compur shutters regularly. The one preliminary seems to be to remove the shutter asembly and to have it cleaned, in an ultrasonic liquid-bath cleaner, if possible.
Marc
As to Compur lubricants, the consensus from the Compur experts on the Rollei List is that Compur shutters ought to run as dry as they can -- if you shoot firearms, think of that sort of lubrication, just the slightest and lightest oil possible, with a dollop of grease on the actual gears. Watchmaker's oil -- you can find this at most watch repair stores and gun stores have a close equivalent; in a pinch, 3-in-1 might do -- and some light silicone grease for the gearing. I am sorry that I cannot be more specific, as none of the guys who responded could give me details on the grease, other than to use it VERY sparingly and carefully.
If you wish, contact me by a private message, and I will put you in touch with the guys who responded: a couple of these folks have overhauled Compur shutters regularly. The one preliminary seems to be to remove the shutter asembly and to have it cleaned, in an ultrasonic liquid-bath cleaner, if possible.
Marc
Beemermark
Veteran
3 in 1 is actually a pretty heavy oil for this application. Being a (pistol / rifle) shooter I don't know of any gun oil equivalent to watchmaker's oil (I have some).
Ron G
Member
Thank you for your reply.It has been my experience that dry,if it will work is desireable but I find myself adding just a hint of lubricant to the escapement pins,usually applied with a toothpick and wiped off right away and sometimes the cocking ring and pinion and shaft as well.
I see so many points indicated on the service manual that I feel that I am not doing a proper service unless I lubricate everything properly.It is not a trivial task to disassemble these cameras and I would like to know that they do not have to be opened up for a while once I put the leather back on.
My feeling is that if we knew what the specific lubricants were referenced in their service literature that we would not use them anyway these days but would substitute the superior products available today.I am using the Nye products that came in a hobby pack of two oils and a grease and will try to choose the right product from what I have until I have a reason not to use it.Thank you very much for the replies.Ron G
I see so many points indicated on the service manual that I feel that I am not doing a proper service unless I lubricate everything properly.It is not a trivial task to disassemble these cameras and I would like to know that they do not have to be opened up for a while once I put the leather back on.
My feeling is that if we knew what the specific lubricants were referenced in their service literature that we would not use them anyway these days but would substitute the superior products available today.I am using the Nye products that came in a hobby pack of two oils and a grease and will try to choose the right product from what I have until I have a reason not to use it.Thank you very much for the replies.Ron G
Ronald M
Veteran
A touch of Nye Oil from Micro Tools?
Hopy`s or Hops gun oil?
Silicone paste
Sewing machine oil
All but the paste are very fine lubes.
Nye is almost like water
Hopy`s or Hops gun oil?
Silicone paste
Sewing machine oil
All but the paste are very fine lubes.
Nye is almost like water
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Radio Shack has a synthetic grease I've used on slide projectors. I think camera companies and techs are using synthetics now. As I understand it, the advantage is that they don't congeal or harden up.
ZeissFan
Veteran
Sure wish I could get my hands on some of that Agfa grease (not really).