Voigtlander wide angle lens for Leica M

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I'm thinking about buying a Voigtlander 12 or 15mm lens for my Leica M cameras and was wondering about opinions.
Which is the better etc??
Also who best to buy from?
 
You'll get opinions advocating both of these lenses, and the good news is that you can't really go wrong- they can both yield excellent results. I have used the 12mm, and found it to be so wide that I can't imagine ever shooting with it beyond the novelty of the thing. I own the 15mm lens, and like it a lot, although I find it, too, is so wide as to be of relatively limited use. I sold this lens years ago because of this, but bought another one this year, as there are indeed some situations where I've found nothing else that will get the shot. But for all 'round wide angle use, I have to say that my Voigtlander 21mm is the lens I always carry. It's still what I consider to be super-wide, and it's results are optically superb- and I find I get far more good shots with this lens over a wide range of situations than with anything wider. I have found through my own trial and error that the best 4 lens kit for me is the 21mm-35mm-50mm-90mm classic Leica set-up. Maybe that's why they were doing it for years before I was born.

As for where to buy from, I'd suggest that if a wander through the classifieds here doesn't turn one up, there are a number of the best retailers of this equipment among the sponsors of this forum- any of them would be an excellent choice. I've bought from photovillage and cameraquest and had good experiences from both.
 
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I love my 15 and find it to be a very fine lens. Contrast and resolution are excellent. That said i find it rarely used but it's there if I need it. I also have a 25mm CV for my Nikon S3 and find it a much more usable focal length. I have a 21mm Elmarit and rarely use it but at one time I reall used the 21mm lenses. Now I find I'm using my 25mm Zeiss, 28mm CV Ultron and 35mm Biogon quite alot. I think for most people the 15 and particularly the 12 are just too wide and after the novelty wears off then it goes in the sock drawer.
 
Joe:

For many years I shot 21, 35, 50, 90 and rarely 135. This was a good combo but I felt i needed something between the 21 and 35. I purchased the 1st version of the 28 elmarit and found it to be a real lack luster lens. I sold it and purchased the 2nd version and felt the same about it. I guess for that reason I never felt any love for 28 lenses. I have an older 3.5 28 for my Nikon F series and never felt it was very good. I have always loved the 24mm Nikkor and have one also and always found myself using it over the 20 or 28 Nikkors. I just never found a 28 that got my attention. Last year I purchased a new Nikon S3 out of lust and also added some vintage Nikkor glass and a 25 CV. I absolutely fell in love with the 25 CV. I like the 24/25mm range so much that i considered a 25 Zeiss and purchased it. Fantastic glass as everyone says. I had the same lens in the mid 80's for my Rollei 3003 and loved it. I wanted a faster wide lens for very low light shooting to go with my 35 Nokton, 50 asph Summilux and 75 Summilux. The 28 Ultron seemed like the logical choice and Flyfisher Tom offered a newish one at a very good price. For the price i thought I would revisit the focal length and purchased it. I've found I really like the lens. A friend brought his 28 Summicron over one morning and I shot it at f2 and f4 to see how it looked. Naturally it lived up to it's reputation, spectacular. Now that I've shot fifteen or so rolls with the Ultron under very difficult conditions from 1.9 to 11 I really find it a suoerb lens. The Summicron has a very very slight edge on it at f2 but by 4 they are equal. Even at f2 i think I would have to print 24x36's before i could see any difference. Now I've found a fast, reasonably priced 28 that I'm pleased with and the lens seems to fit my style better than ever before. My way of seeing has changed over the years where I 'm shooting longer lenses and much less with the ultra wides. The 25 fits my need for the super wide without being too wide and the 28 gives me a more natural perspective without using a finder on my M6 and Zeiss Ikon. I've mated it with my Zeiss Ikon and carry it for general candid shooting.

I shot some portrait shots of a 76 year old man in high bibi overalls with his pickup truck the other day and used the ZI and 28. The old guy had a fantastic face and weatherd look. He is a grave digger and was very weathered. I shot some 3/4 shots with the Ultron at f4 and you can see the stitching in his overalls. It's exceptionally sharp but has very smooth tones. It's one of the most pleasing lenses that I've shot in a while.

It's probably silly to owns all these lenses but I do use them often so I guess since i have them I might as well keep them. I carried the ZI today on a annual report shoot for a large coal company. I spent the day in coal mines and used the 28 and 35 with HP5 pushed to 800. I think I've got some really good shots and will process thei weekend. I'll be on the same shoot in Kentucky coal mines tomorrow and will carry the same combo. 28, 35 and 90.

While I'm on the subject i want to thank you for the info on the 25 and the ZI. I purchased both and really love them.
 
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thanks for your well thought out answer.
i stopped thinking about fast lenses as i mostly shoot outdoors and during the day. the odd time i'm in the dark, i suffer with fuzzy shots, pushed film and holding my breath.
i just bought a 25 cv finder and used it to compare with the zi's 28 framelines to see what extra was added by the 25mm. while there is a clear difference i don't think (for me) it's enough to justify having both focal lengths. i could use the 25 as a 28 if i needed to for some reason.

thanks for the reply, it eases my mind somewhat for selling off the cv 28.

joe
 
I would use a 15/24/35 set up for wides. This is the best spread with fewest lenses and even spacing.

Second choice 15/21/28/35.

My CV25 is fine for outside, but there will be a new 25 that is faster and has a focus cam coupled to the rangefinder. The original is scale focus only. This really is fine for outside work. This was part of Mr K`s original offerings when he was testing the market and need to keep costs very low.
 
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The CV 15mm lens single-handedly changed the way I think about photography. It is my favorite lens, although I use the CV 25mm more often. I love the results, and it's so much fun to goof around with. My gallery has a few examples of the CV 15 (and CV 25mm) in use as a travel lens.

In bright light the 15mm will sometimes confuse the in-camera meters. I often add a stop of exposure.

I bought the CV 15mm used from a fellow RFF member, and I can recommend PhotoVillage or Cameraquest if you want to buy new.

BTW, my setup is 15/25/35/50.
 
I use the 12mm on my R-D1 because it becomes an ~18mm lens with the crop factor. Agree with other posters though - when I use it on my Bessa T its almost too wide. Fab lens though, I've always been a fan of wide angles and used to shoot a lot with the Nikon 24mm f/2.8 in my SLR days. Have a 21mm Color-Skopar on the way, the results that lens produces for the price are extraordinary...
 
I have the 15mm, use it frequently, and usually love it. But I really had to learn to use it effectively; barrel distortion in the viewfinder makes it quite difficult to judge when vertical lines are truly parallel. It's also difficult to learn to use to make "serious" images if there's anything in the foreground; if you're close enough to make an object/ person look close by, they look cartoony big compared to their surroundings. Nearby items can also appear very distorted if they're far from the center of the image. They have to, it's a 15mm lens! Also, keeping your shadow out of the picture can be tough...
Next niggle is the inability to mount filters. As a B+W shooter this became intolerable, here's my fix:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24982&highlight=15mm+filter

While I haven't done any tests, or compared directly with other similar lenses sharpness and contrast are excellent, center to edge if you use the diaphragm sensibly, i.e. F/5.6-F/11. Flare resistance seems only fair to me, and can show up as general haze or little iris images from a point source like the sun.
So overall its a great tool, but requires learning to use effectively and dealing with inherent limitations.
 

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Ronald M said:
My CV25 is fine for outside, but there will be a new 25 that is faster and has a focus cam coupled to the rangefinder. The original is scale focus only. This really is fine for outside work. This was part of Mr K`s original offerings when he was testing the market and need to keep costs very low.

i bought this lens for $200 new the other day while picking up my first leica. seemed like a nice second lens for little $$
 
A filter solution I found for my 15 is to use Cokin A Series filters with a mounting bracket made by Cokin, intended for use with cameras with no filter thread on the lens. I am not sure what they call it, but it has the part number A300. It has a flat base with many alternate positions for screwing on to the tripod socket, and the vertical part has Cokin's customary three slots for filters. It can be folded flat for transport and storage. It does not intrude on the picture area if the filter is placed in the forward-most slot and adjusted hard up against the lens hood, but it can cause reflection problems if there is a strong light source at certain angles behind the filter.
 
x-ray said:
Joe:
It's probably silly to owns all these lenses but I do use them often so I guess since i have them I might as well keep them.

I'm thinking very hard about buying a 28 or 24/25. Thanks for this informative and helpful post.
 
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