Wabi Sabi Photo Collective

"I believe the idea of understanding a concept is too positivistic for the emptiness and imperfection of Wabi Sabi."

Interesting. How can a concept exist that is unknowable?

My background: I lived and worked in Japan for a year many years ago, and married into a Japanese family (25 years and counting), as well as being a reader of some basic Buddhist writings. Of all the organized religions, I resonate most with Buddhism.
 
"I believe the idea of understanding a concept is too positivistic for the emptiness and imperfection of Wabi Sabi."

Interesting. How can a concept exist that is unknowable?

My background: I lived and worked in Japan for a year many years ago, and married into a Japanese family (25 years and counting), as well as being a reader of some basic Buddhist writings. Of all the organized religions, I resonate most with Buddhism.

is enlightenment a concept? If so, can you really 'know' enlightenment? Would that 'make' you enlightened?

You tell us how much you have been living with and in Japanese Culture as prove of your authority. Jack this is exactly my point 🙂
I am not a racist saying that one must be Japanese. I say that exposure to, living with or in Japanese culture will be the most likely access to Wabi Sabi and as you mean to show, reason to be an authority.
 
is enlightenment a concept? If so, can you really 'know' enlightenment? Would that 'make' you enlightened?

You tell us how much you have been living with and in Japanese Culture as prove of your authority. Jack this is exactly my point 🙂
I am not a racist saying that one must be Japanese. I say that exposure to, living with or in Japanese culture will be the most likely access to Wabi Sabi and as you mean to show, reason to be an authority.


Re enlightenment: I do not have to be Wabi Sabi to understand it. It's a concept after all.

I mentioned my history simply for interest's sake, not to claim any authority.

Whatever. I joined the conversation to point out the negativity this thread towards this group. Just read it from the beginning to see if you notice it too. Rather than encouragement to put oneself forward, there was only criticism. Too bad, RFF.
 
Interesting discussion, and definitely a tricky concept to interpret. I feel one could "translate" the concept of Wabi-Sabi into his/her own photography style and philosophy if you want to explore the concept in the world of photography.

Here is my take as a Japanese immigrant in the US... 😉


reading continues by Suguru Nishioka, on Flickr

Another interpretation of mine.


Two eggs by Suguru Nishioka, on Flickr

Very good examples. Especially the first one.
 
Re enlightenment: I do not have to be Wabi Sabi to understand it. It's a concept after all.

I mentioned my history simply for interest's sake, not to claim any authority.

Whatever. I joined the conversation to point out the negativity this thread towards this group. Just read it from the beginning to see if you notice it too. Rather than encouragement to put oneself forward, there was only criticism. Too bad, RFF.

our views differ and for Wabi Sabi's sake, because I believe that Wabi Sabi is more a matter of individual feeling and experience than a fixed concept that can be understood, I am glad that they do and don't expect an argument to stay undisputed.

I know the mention of your history just wants to explain and not to claim authority, however I consider the point I made, that 'Japanese experience' is best and most likely access, as vaild.

You are right, I also perceive some negativity but it had not surprised me. Cultural arrogance, excuse the strong words, is a very wide spread phenomenon, disqualifying the foreign and unknown to foster the own and established too common. The mention of the word 'spiritual might have triggered an unfriendly statement disqualifying what had been said as 'esoteric farts'. That, maybe in a less offensive manner, had to be expected. More than that I rather see genuine interest, possibly some of it on shaky grounds, but nevertheless an intent to investigate.
 
me too. the 'discourse' must have triggered the 'collective' to reconsider and made others more investigate. It's doing fine and I am curious for more.

peace Frank!
 
I have no authority on any official definition but have a personal interpretation that for me suggests that a wabi sabi object is a more a product of the "natural" world (as opposed to "human made" - though, yes humans are part of nature) , and is also in some state of transience or decay.

Exhibit 1 :

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[/url]R0001341 by john m, on Flickr[/IMG]

Exhibit 2 :

Falllen nest by john m, on Flickr

and finally Exhibit 3 - not wabi sabi for me, though there are natural elements wood and stone (with construction shaped by humans) and decay. I'd call this urban decay. Something more lightly touched by humans e.g a simply hand carved ornament with imperfections, or a repaired ceramic probably still is a wabi sabi object...for me.

Age by john m, on Flickr

Thoughts /examples of your own interpretation welcome.
 
I have no authority on any official definition but have a personal interpretation that for me suggests that a wabi sabi object is a more a product of the "natural" world (as opposed to "human made" - though, yes humans are part of nature) , and is also in some state of transience or decay.

A wabi sabi object momentarily gives one a glimpse of what is rather than what ought to be.

For example most people live as if they're immortal. Death and dying are far from their mind, so they're greedy, needy and hungry for more experiences, more objects. They're caught up in Maya and completely oblivious to the impermanence and fleeting nature of life...

when such a person is suddenly awakned from that stupor by an object or objects either in nature or man-made, that is wabi sabi.
 
with all my arguments that living in Japan helps to form an appreciation for Wabi Sabi I believe that it doesn't play much role in modern Japan. Naturally it is alive mostly in artist and zen circles. These often are intertwined. Today Wabi Sabi most typically is found in pottery which in Japan, probably stronger than anywhere else, is valued as art. Or to put it the other way around, it is above all the art of pottery, which continues to be important in modern Japan, that keeps Wabi Sabi alive in popular culture


Untitled
by Andreas, on Flickr, CZJ 1.5/5cm, NEX5n
 
Now this is wabi sabi... or at least the closest one can come with a Leica.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=153876

this is fantastic!

btw. this is the set up the last sample I suggested had been taken with, prewar CZJ f1.5/5cm on NEX5n via a selfmade adapter using the mount of a broken Kiev:

NEX5N with CZJ Sonnar f1.5/5cm
by Andreas, on Flickr
this self made adapter allows for closer focusing than originally designed, this new possibility was used for the photo

I am certain that materials used and all processes of the making a 'piece of art' that 'is' Wabi Sabi are important, and though possibly not a prerequisite I agree that e.g. wet plate is very conducive
 
Peace and I am not a professor nor a scholar and the words that I put forward for your consideration may utterly fail:
We westeners, many of us may have or have had difficulty to get grips on anything, even accept as real what we cannot understand through thoughts. Japanese culture traditionally has a different approach to reality through individual perception, attentiveness, awareness and discipline. imo the important references below clearly show that:

Wabi Sabi of course needs underlying understanding but cannot be 'merely' understood. Beyond understanding Wabi Sabi requires awareness, discipline and a cultivation through practice.​

the very first sentence of the Stanford article on Japanese Aesthetics: ( linked earlier, here again: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-aesthetics/ )

"Two preliminary observations about the Japanese cultural tradition to begin with. The first is that classical Japanese philosophy understands the basic reality as constant change, or (to use a Buddhist expression) impermanence. The world of flux that presents itself to our senses is the only reality: there is no conception of some stable “Platonic” realm above or behind it. The arts in Japan have traditionally reflected this fundamental impermanence—sometimes lamenting but more often celebrating it...
..The second observation is that the arts in Japan have tended to be closely connected with Confucian practices of self-cultivation, as evidenced in the fact that they are often referred to as “ways [of living]”: chadō, the way of tea (tea ceremony), shōdō, the way of writing (calligraphy), and so forth."​

quote from the Wikipedia article on Japanese Aesthetics: ( also linked earlier, once again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aesthetics )

"Wabi and sabi refers to a mindful approach to everyday life...
..In this, beauty is an altered state of consciousness and can be seen in the mundane and simple. The signatures of nature can be so subtle that it takes a quiet mind and a cultivated eye to discern them.[6] In Zen philosophy there are seven aesthetic principles for achieving Wabi-Sabi.
..Each of these things are found in nature but can suggest virtues of human character and appropriateness of behaviour. This, in turn suggests that virtue and civility can be instilled through an appreciation of, and practice in, the arts. Hence, aesthetic ideals have an ethical connotation and pervades much of the Japanese culture.[8]"​

and again from the Stanford article:

"Wabi means that even in straitened circumstances no thought of hardship arises. Even amid insufficiency, one is moved by no feeling of want. Even when faced with failure, one does not brood over injustice. If you find being in straitened circumstances to be confining, if you lament insufficiency as privation, if you complain that things have been ill-disposed—this is not wabi” (Hirota, 275)."​

naturally I failed, quote: "Maadhyamika philosophy is an attempt to think in terms of the otherness of ultimate meaning, to develop philosophical discourse in constant awareness of the primary wonder of ultimate meaning, and in recognition of the failure of language to encapsulate that meaning. Maadhyamika is the central focus of Mahayana Buddhist thought, lying barely concealed behind iconoclastic zen aphorisms..." from: https://books.google.com.vn/books?i...v=onepage&q=dependent co-arising engi&f=false
 
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