rogue_designer
Reciprocity Failure
Olsen said:Negative colorfilm is surpased by digital sensors today, but the only one that get close (well...) is Kodak Portra 160 VC - in my view. Note: NC is for flash light portraits and look too dull outdoors. The Portra VC on a Leica- or Zeiss-lense equipped camera gives beautiful colors, high contrast and 'good' resolution. The lenses resolves better than the film.
Surpassed in what way? Not in contrast range - color negative film still holds a commanding lead over the best digital sensors. Resolution maybe, but that's a whole hairy debate once you start talking about aa filters vs scanning and film grain vs digital noise. Not conclusive IMO.
NC can look dull outdoors, but that's a matter of preference, not poor performance.
biomed
Veteran
charjohncarter said:I prefer Kodak Portra 160VC, but also like Kodak Gold 200. My most used color negative film, and I shoot a lot of it, is Fuji Superia Xtra 400. The Fuji film is $1.33 for a 24 roll at Costco. To develop and put on CD another $4.83. Sometimes I shoot 3 rolls a week. And I shoot mostly B&W.
Ditto on the Superia Xtra 400. I bought the last bunch for a little more than a buck a roll at Costco - it was with a discount coupon. It works well in most situations for me.
kipkeston
Well-known
Superia xtra 400 is $8 for 6 rolls of 24 exps regular price at costco for me. They have more packs than I know what to do with. It's my default color film.
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
Color negative above ISO 200 certainly has more grain than 4/3" or larger digital sensors and probably less resolution than 10+ MP sensors at least on 24x35 mm frames. So for pure documentative photography color film (both slide and negative) really is surpassed by digital sensors. There are also forms of photography such as sports and wildlife, where the high ISO performance of digital sensors is so important that most people will not even consider using anything else than digital.Olsen said:Negative colorfilm is surpased by digital sensors today, but the only one that get close (well...) is Kodak Portra 160 VC - in my view. Note: NC is for flash light portraits and look too dull outdoors. The Portra VC on a Leica- or Zeiss-lense equipped camera gives beautiful colors, high contrast and 'good' resolution. The lenses resolves better than the film.
Higher ISO on negative film is today old fashioned grainy, - to say the least, and surpassed by giant steps by Canon 5D, 1Ds II/III etc. etc.
B/W is another matter.
As for the rest, grain is not necessarily bad thing. Even color film grain is much more pleasent than digital noise and can be used for artistic effect. The of course there is dynamic range, where color negative film still has a several stop edge over most DSLRs. Fuji S3 and S5 pro come close. The irony is though that you will have to scan the film with a high quality scanner and use a CRT or professional flat panel (TFT) display in order to see it, since most color papers and consumer panel displays have a much more limited dynamic range than color negative film.
But enough for both real and imaginary technical points; they are not the real issue. The analogy I often use is that if painters were photographers, most painters using acrylic paints would claim that oilpainting has been surpassed by the much easier acrylic technique. But of course painters are not photographers and they do no such things. They understand that the choice of technique is also an artistic choice. In fact some painters still use egg tempera, which is an extremely difficult and time consuming technique used before oil paints were invented...
Dektol Dan
Well-known
Neg film fav
Neg film fav
Just Porta now, any flavor. Gave up on Fuji, to much noise in shadows when scanning. I still use Fuji for transparencies, however.
Neg film fav
Just Porta now, any flavor. Gave up on Fuji, to much noise in shadows when scanning. I still use Fuji for transparencies, however.
rogue_designer
Reciprocity Failure
Dr. Strangelove said:The analogy I often use is that if painters were photographers, most painters using acrylic paints would claim that oilpainting has been surpassed by the much easier acrylic technique. But of course painters are not photographers and they do no such things. They understand that the choice of technique is also an artistic choice. In fact some painters still use egg tempera, which is an extremely difficult and time consuming technique used before oil paints were invented...
I like this analogy. I may borrow it from time to time, if you don't mind.
R
rovnguy
Guest
Reala for 35mm and Portra 160 NC for 120.
Dr. Strangelove
Cobalt thorium G
Feel free to use it. I came up with it because some people were comparing film to vinyl records, AM radio and other obsolescent playback media. That comparison is clearly wrong, since playback is just playback -- a record player is not a creative instrument like cameras and films are.rogue_designer said:I like this analogy. I may borrow it from time to time, if you don't mind.
Well, record players can be creative instruments for DJ's, which is exactly why most of them still like to use real vinyls and record players instead of CD's or hard drive players with digital scratch and playback speed simulation...
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
Prefer? If I had my way I'd shoot Kodak 400UC only, but it doesn't always work out that way, because I have to either order it online or make a special trip to get it. I like Fuji color film too, particularly the 400 and 800. The only film I absolutely abhor is Kodak HD, awful ugly stuff.

Finder
Veteran
fdigital said:I've found negative film doesn't compare to slide - the latter is much much much sharper and more accurate.
I found the opposite to be true. Funny old world, ain't it.
Rhoyle
Well-known
I use the Kodak Portra 160 and 400 VC mostly. Not because the Fuji films aren't excellent, but because with my workflow, I don't have to jump through quite as many hoops to get the color balance that I want.
.JL.
Established
Fuji Reala and Portra 800 if I need high speed colour. Both are really nice, but the bigger problem today is to find a decent lab. C-41 processing in most labs in my area are getting sloppy, no idea what it is, but the results are no longer as good as a few years back. Not only are the proofs looking worse, even my scanned images are less stellar.
nrb
Nuno Borges
Best for cross-processing in black and white chemistry is Agfa Vista, imho.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Agfa Ultra 100. Nothing better to my eye.
As my stock dwindles I hope.
As my stock dwindles I hope.
Kim Coxon
Moderator
Ageed. I still have a good stock of 35mm. I just wish I had laid in some 120.
Kim
Kim
sepiareverb said:Agfa Ultra 100. Nothing better to my eye.
As my stock dwindles I hope.
kingjon
Established
Couldn't vote because my favorites are Gold 100 and Fuji press 400. Am anxious to try Fuji's 800, read good things about it and would like to see for myself.
Jon
Jon
Spider67
Well-known
I had very good gesults with Kodak 400 VR pushed to 800....Anyone here to tell which color films can be pushed if need should arise?
yaadetgar
Member
Hi!
I used only 1 color negative film on the last 2 years.
If I remember correctly, it was a Superia 800 film. I didn't like it too much.
When I do color photography by film, I'm doing it with Sensia 100. It's a good film. all the color shots on my gallery is from it.
Yaad
I used only 1 color negative film on the last 2 years.
If I remember correctly, it was a Superia 800 film. I didn't like it too much.
When I do color photography by film, I'm doing it with Sensia 100. It's a good film. all the color shots on my gallery is from it.
Yaad
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